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I'm sickened. Very graphic. :(

Mon. Jan 14, 3:14pm

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Monday, January 14, 2008, 3:15 PM

I've been thinking about going vegetarian for a while and that video may have pushed me over the edge.

Can anyone recommend a good vegetarian cookbook?

Monday, January 14, 2008, 11:15 PM

OMFG!!! Do you suppose that even free range organic meats are treated and slaughtered the same? I am going to do some research to see how they are treated. This actually made me cry, I am completely sickened.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 3:34 AM

7:03, you must be joking.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 9:57 AM

3:34, "meats" are not slaughtered. Living beings called ANIMALS are treated that way and slaughtered brutally.

11:15 - A great vegetarian/vegan cookbook is 1,001 Low Fat Vegetarian Recipes by Sue Spitler. It gives nutritional info on each recipe and let's you know what level of vegetarian it is appropriate for (ovo veggies, lacto veggies, lacto-ovo veggies, and vegans). You can buy it on Amazon, used, for really cheap.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 10:02 AM

7:03 LOL! I doubt you have gone to your local slaughter house. This is how they do it here in this country. I would guess we are probably worse. The part that killed me was the pigs. It was certainly a gross wake up call. And 10:02, NO REASON TO YELL AT 3:34, I'm sure she meant animals not meat, she was just referring to the meat she eats.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 11:36 AM

I can see why people would have a negative reaction to this video. It is horrifying they get treated this way. But on the other hand. Even if they did not get maltreated... they are still going to die in the end. Yes its sad... but also a fact of life. They are food.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 11:36 AM

I'm the OP, and I, too was considering going back to being a veggie, and this video gave me all the reasons why I will. I imagined my kitties being treated like those animals...I only got half-way through the video before I had to shut it off. It's one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

11:36-
I know where you are coming from. If we still needed to hunt to survive, I would agree with you. We don't. We go to the grocery store or to a restaurant.

"...even if they did not get maltreated...they are still going to die in the end."

Would you rather see your family members/dogs/cats being beat-up and mutilated over and over before they died, or would you rather it be quick?

Every time I am tempted to eat meat, I am going to think of my 2 cats and how much they mean to me.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 11:48 AM

11:36 - they may be food, but they are still living beings. As humans with some kind of moral capacity (although I am not sure sometimes) it is our responsibility to properly care for these animals and treat them with the dignity and respect they deserve...especially since they provide many Americans with nourishment. There are countless sustainable, economic and humane ways to raise and slaughter animals, but the USDA and the greedy people at companies like Tyson, Cargill, etc. are only really interested in making a buck...at our, and the animals', expense. If you have not already, I urge everyone to read Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma."

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 12:01 PM

10:02 here

11:36 (the first one), thank you for writing to me in caps lock, now I know you mean business. I am pointing out how wrong it is to refer to animals only as "meats." That is precisely what is wrong with the human race. The second 11:36 with his/her "they are food" comment combined with referring to animals going to slaughter as "meats" is disgusting to me. I know 3:34 meant no harm, but it needs to be said that the way we view animals as a whole is completely and totally wrong.

My favorite quote on this subject is the following:

"We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form." (William Ralph Inge)

I know that's right.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 12:01 PM

Hippy!
Animals are raised to be food- they are food/meat.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 12:34 PM

Haha, 12:34. Ignorance is bliss! Being born with blinders on must keep you happy as a cow!

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 12:40 PM

They are not able to form a religion. they are animals. and we humans were built to eat them.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 12:52 PM

3:34 here, my god people, a little friggin error on my part and people think I'm inhuman. When I referred to the animals as meat it was a mistake, I meant animals but I was thinking about the free range organic meats I buy so that is how it came out. I KNOW THEY ARE ANIMALS AND DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT. They only one who got what I meant to say was 11:36, thanks. It is thoroughly disgusting the way the industry treats ANIMALS but it is a sad fact. I would think that happy, well feed and cared for animals would give us better quality returns. I am still trying to find out if the sort of MEATS I eat are slaughtered like this video portrays.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 1:13 PM

to 3:34. I am not an expert on this...so I could be completely off base here but I've read a little on the topic. I *think* with the exception of some smaller livestock...chicken, turkeys, etc. farmers are legally required to have their animals (organic or not) slaughtered at a usda approved facility...which is pretty much what you are seeing in this video. I'm sure there are some exceptions...it may depend on state law, or the number of animals the farm produces per year, etc. but that is the gist. supposedly a usda certified facility provides some kind of guarantee that we are getting quality food. personally, i've opted to not take a chance and i do not eat any meat...but i fully support buying organic...it is a step in the right direction (although by no means perfect). if you live in an area with lots of agriculture...you can often buy your meat or milk straight from the farmer...who could certainly better tell you about the process of producing and slaughtering animals.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 1:42 PM

I actually stopped eating meat back in April '07 (but still eat seafood). I had been thinking in the back of my mind about eliminating meat, but I wasn't sure b/c I didn't want to lose muscle and vitamin deficits. But I got a pamplet at my campus and read how animals are treated and I stopped eating meat that day. I found out a few months ago that you can get a "complete protein" by basically combining foods-- such as whole grain bread and PB, beans and rice, hummus and pita bread, etc. I grew up eating whole grains, beans, nuts, legumes, etc. so cutting out meat hasn't been difficult.

Oh and that video made me cry..I watched it last night.

I wish this country could eat less meat. It's unfortunate that meat is the main course.

Oh yeah and I gotta admit, I'm still at fault. I really like cheese, so this is something I need to cut down on and limit myself to no more than once a day.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 4:15 PM

If you're looking for good reads or cookbooks, try these (they are my fav!!)

Skinny Bitch
Eat to Live
Veganomicon
Vegan with a Vengeance

Happy cruelty free eating! :)

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” -Mahatma Gandhi

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 4:23 PM

Okay I know this is terrible but keep in mind everyone this is a PETA video, so it is a bunch of the worse possible conditions they can show you. Its meant to have this affect on you. Hey was the Alec Baldwin talking?

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 5:55 PM

True about it being a PETA video, but it is important to be aware of what is/could be happening.
I've been vegetarian for almost 20 years and have never regretted it.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 6:10 PM

The more I think about it, eating another animal is just gross.

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 7:50 PM

10:02am

Thank you for the recommendation on the cookbook, "1,001 Low Fat Vegetarian Recipes" by Sue Spitler. I just ordered it off Amazon and I'm looking forward to trying out a meat-free lifestyle. (I'm hoping my arteries and cholesterol levels will love me for doing this!)

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 8:17 PM

The more I think about it eating another animal is yummy... I think I'm gonna go grab my bison meatballs from the fridge...

Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 8:20 PM

I have been meat-free for 2 weeks, now, and I feel great!

Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 11:18 AM

i've been meat eating since i was 1 and i feel great!

Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 12:14 PM

That was just sick and one of the many reasons I don't eat meat!!

Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 1:11 PM

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Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 2:20 PM

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