Vegan Weight Loss Support

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Thursday, December 20, 2007, 12:46 PM

I don't like vegans

Thursday, April 3, 2008, 2:47 PM

hahahaha this is the perfect example of how people have been so negative on this board! finding a post that is 4 months old just to say something irrelevant and contflict-provoking

Thursday, April 3, 2008, 3:06 PM

How do you vegan?? JW it fascinates me

Thursday, April 3, 2008, 4:43 PM

I love the vegan lifestyle/diet! Basically, you eat 'regular' food, but with substitutions. So, no eggs, dairy, meat, honey. No animal by products. My kids and I try to stay away from too much processed stuff, but there are alternatives for everything! Plus, we've found some really gool healthy products we never would have tried - quinoa, acai, seitan. YUM! It's really easy, and I think more natural. So, veggies, fruit, grains, pasta, CHOCOLATE, pancakes, etc. Plus, without the animal products they tend to be lower cal and fat naturally.

We also don't buy anything made with animal products (leather, wool, silk, cleaners, gum).

If you want more of an idea, you can always peek at my logs (it's public) under Pink314.

Thanks for asking!

Thursday, April 3, 2008, 7:13 PM

2:47- I bet you are a vegan just trying to stir up a controversy, to get people talking about a vegan diet. Which is a good one, and one that I aspire to. But come on...

Thursday, April 3, 2008, 7:16 PM

I don't think 2:47 is a vegan, because as a vegetarian I have gotten tons of random comments that are rude like that. You'd be surprised how stupid and rude people really are.

Friday, April 4, 2008, 9:20 AM

No joke...

Friday, April 4, 2008, 2:34 PM

7:16; I doubt it. Numerous studies have shown that vegan/vegetarians have higher than average IQs; we would have though of something much more clever. :)

But while the subject has come up, I'd like to ask the 'I don't like vegans' poster to more fully explain her/himself. Is there a particular reason why?

Saturday, April 5, 2008, 10:12 AM

Yes, be more constructive with your criticism! Why?

Monday, April 7, 2008, 10:33 AM

I rarely like vegans. I find they're usually arrogant. They act as if they're morally superior for not eating animals. They accept only veganism as the ideal way of eating for every single person on this planet. They skew statistics and studies to prove their points the same way agribusiness does. So those are just a few of the reasons why *generally* I don't like vegans.

Vegans who will go out to lunch with me and not say anything when I order my filet mignon I don't mind. But I haven't met many of those...

Monday, April 7, 2008, 12:29 PM

Well, thank you for answering the question.

12:29, we'd make a great team! I'd like to find an omni to go to lunch with that doesn't make comments about my boca burger or meat-less, cheese-less sandwiches.... but I haven't found one yet. Yes, vegans can choose to not comment on others ideas of food... but we respectfully request the same in return.

Please keep in mind that for vegans, watching you eat filet mignon would be similar to you watching someone eat a puppy. Sounds dramatic, but it isn't. It's an animal, either way, and it is upsetting to see. In my experience, the omni's I know only became angry because of their own guilt associated with their cruelty-ladden diets.

Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:23 PM

12:29 back.

Without going into a lengthy discussion, as the validities of either party's belief is not a discussion I want to get into: personally, I find the notion that it is morally wrong to eat meat, to be to me, morally offensive. I'm a believer in that God said we can eat animals, so for any person to say that we cannot eat animals, and that it is wrong to do so, is effectively saying that the God I believe in is either wrong, or they are smarter than Him, neither which amuse me much. However, I have my right to my faith, and they have the right to there's, but much like most people don't want a bible thumper beating on them, (and while I make reference to being of a monotheistic faith, I am not a bible thumper) I see vegans as often being the same as bible thumpers. (To avoid argument, I am simply providing my perspective, I am NOT trying to start an argument about the truth/valitidiy/superiority/etc. of either the omnivore or vegan choice.

So while eating my filet may seem like eating a puppy to you, don't assume that your choice to be vegan does not necessarily offend me. I absolutely respect your right to that choice, and that you have that right regardless of how it offends me, but it may not be as benign a choice to some of us as it is to you.

If we were to have lunch I might ask if you ordered a boca burger for the taste or the non-meat apsect out of curiousity, but I'm smart enough to know that you've done your research and made your choice, and that challenging your choice would be insulting.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 1:28 PM

I choose to be vegan for my health. If I had to show it in percentages of health vs. the love I have for animals, it would be about 70% my health and 30% out of love for animals. If I saw you eating a steak, I wouldn't say a word. It is not my choice to decide what you may or may not eat. But, if you were to ask me why I don't eat meat or cheese, I would have a lot to say.

Whenever I think "maybe a cheeseburger would be good right about now" I imagine cooking up my cats and eating them--and that's all I need to keep me on the right track. So, mostly health, partly love.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 3:29 PM

RE: 1:28pm - God Hates Vegans/Vegans Hate God. (I'm being facetious here, don't have an aneurism)

"I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be food for you. And to the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food. And it was so" (Genesis 1:29-30).

It was not until man was consumed by sin that God gave man permission to use the flesh of His creatures. Maybe He lost faith in our ability to live compassionately and coexist with the animals. God has given us permission to consume flesh and to instill 'fear and dread..upon all of the beasts of the earth' Genesis 9:1-3. However, He never says that by abstaining from the flesh of His creatures we are saying He is wrong, or we are smarter than Him. God has always given us a choice. I choose to live in harmony with Gods creatures rather than destroy them. I'll leave the fear, dread, and destruction t

Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 5:18 PM

See, the PP proves my point. I wasn't trying to attack or point out the flaws in any vegans belief system, however, the PP poster decided to take the argument down the path I was trying to avoid. That's why I don't like certain vegans :)

Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 7:36 PM

Umm, I'm sorry but aren't you the same idiot that posted the reasons you don't like vegans in the thread entitled 'Vegan Weight Loss Support'?? You began with the judgemental crap. You say that you didn't want to 'attack'. Yet you say you rarely like vegans because you find them arrogant. You say that vegans are going against Gods will. As a Christian, who happens to be vegan, I see that as a bit of an attack. Go back to Mc'D's and enjoy the flesh god blessed you with. I'm sure He loves seeing his baby cows shoved in crates and tortured. I bet that is exactly what he had in mind when he gave you all the beasts in the land!!! Kudos to you soldier of God, you are quiet the moral compass!

Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 8:13 PM

Oh, I have attacked and will maintain my position as to how many vegans are arrogant (which is a behavior, not a belief). I said from my perspective I find veganism morally offensive, however, I explicitly said I respect their right to make a choice, and am "smart enough to know that you've done your research and made your choice, and that challenging your choice would be insulting." While I put forth a contrary perspective/opinoin, I clearly repeatedly stated I did not intend to discuss the validity of any perspective, nor that I was intending to challenge anyone's belief. Behaviours can be judged, I'm not here to judge beliefs.

And for the record, someone asked in the thread "why don't you like vegans" so that would be why I stated why I don't generally like vegans in a vegan weightloss support thread. Because someone asked a question I was able to answer- which is kinda the whole point of the forum...

However, obviously, my opinion has since been insulted, miscontrued, and challenged. Which arguably everyone has the right to do, but it's argumentative and meant to cause dissention, which I was trying to avoid. Furthermore, it seems I have been insulted personally, and the usual baseless accusations thrown around. I don't eat at McDonalds. I buy my beef in half cows from a local ranch that doesn't have cows in crates.

So let me add to the reasons I rarely like vegans: too many assume that all omnivores mindlessly consume too much meat. There are absolutley those of us who stick to grass fed free range cattle, to free range poultry, and other animals raised in non-industrial environments, that treat the animals more humanely than current standard practices.

I don't have problems with all vegans. Generally, live and let live. But as some others have shown, they have no interest in that, and prefer to attack those who are different than them. Really, it's not a problem limited to vegans at all. And perhaps there are more "live and let live" vegans than there are of the militant kind, but it might just be the militant ones who become more visible and ruin the reputations of the rest of them.

Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 8:42 PM

For the record, there are no free range slaughter houses. If you are ok with the methods of killing the animals you eat then by all means coninue to support the industry. And by the way, I think it's a bit comical that YOU are using the term 'live at let live'. I mean, really, you think that's appropriate??

Also, to clarify, I was assuming that you were the original 'I don't like vegans' poster. My bad for the assumtion, however... You clearly have no interest in a vegan lifestyle so why did you click on the thread in the first place? I'm assuming that you did not have sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows on your mind. And by that I mean you probably were not planning on contributing something positive to the thread. So I'm so sorry you feel insulted, miscontrued, and challenged by one of us militant types, the LAST thing I'd want to do is morally offend an omni!!! Please accept my deepest apologizes!!!!

Microsoft should really make a special font for sarcasm. I'd use it all the time.

Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 12:24 AM

wow... is it hot in here or is it just me?!
On a lighter note, I've recently gone back to being vegan and would love to join the group. I eat the vegan way for health mostly, but as an animal lover, it certainly eases my conscience as well.

Now, I don't know if anyone else has read Dr. Joel Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" book, but I just got through it and found it to be a wealth of nutrition info. While he doesn't push veganism, he certainly advocates a primarily vegan diet and gives well researched reasons for his recommendations. Might be worth a read for anyone wondering why a plant based diet is good for the body.

Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 10:48 AM

I thought that book was great!

Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 11:23 AM

I know this doesn't apply to me because I am vegetarian and not vegan, but I still feel offended by the "vegans feeling morally superior" comments because they have been said about vegetarians. I have never, not once, made a comment to anyone about eating meat. I have been a vegetarian for 10 years. I have gone out to eat with meat eaters, my husband was one until a year ago. If we went out to eat, I would say "How is your dinner?" no matter what you were eating.
I don't feel I am smarter or know better than God, I just disagree with how animals are treated and don't want to contribute to it. If you feel your method of obtaining meat is humane, more power to you. Just don't lump everyone together. I have never said "I don't like most meat eaters because they are cruel and ignorant and (insert whatever adjective you want here)". I judge people by how they act individually, not by their diet.

Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 11:26 AM

10:48, hope to see you in our group! We are wonderful, compassionate and supportive and active - but most of all we kick each others butts to get in shape!

~Pink314

Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 12:53 PM

And yes, I love Eat to Live! It was my 'transition' book. :)

Love Dr. Furhman!

Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 12:54 PM

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