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i go to ballys and they had a special free session w a trainer one on one to answer any questions. i told em my eating habits and my workout routine. and he said i was doing it all wrong. he said i should eat 45% protein 25%carbs and the rest fats. he said that i ws eating way too many carbs. my body fat was a dissapointing 23% he said if u want to be considered fit it should be under 15%. he said i should work out three days a week like m tu and friday and hit only only one group of muscles per week to allow rest to it. and he said i should do cardio along with the weights and do the cardio first. he was very knowledgeable and i m leaning towards getting some personal training done. just thought i would share my experience with u all.

Mon. Nov 21, 10:04pm

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15% body fat is really low for a female. I would not want to get below 20% personaly, I think a female should look like a female, and not a boy with boobs. Our bodys are meant to reproduce. I personaly would see a different trainer, I think this guy is a hack. 23% body fat for a female is not only healthy, but normal. This is my opinion, and no I am not a trainer. But I work out, I eat healthy, and my body fat is also 23%. I do not look fat, but rather I am strong, and fit.

Monday, November 21, 2005, 11:36 PM

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45% protein is WAY too much. Excess protein can cause kidney problems and also leech your bones of calcium (more of a concern for women than men). On a 2000 Calorie diet, 45% protein is 225 grams and that is more than anyone except serious body builders should eat.

The trainer could probably give you good advice on form/weights, but it sounds like he's trying to get all his clients on a diet that is only ideal for body builders. (And even that's questionable.) Take a look at the recommended body fat percentages on the link.


Tuesday, November 22, 2005, 12:13 AM

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Too much protein is bad but I met w/ a trainer and a nutritionist both who said when working out (cardio and weights) you should eat protein and carbs in a 3:1 ratio at every meal....I have been fine and have been doing it this way for awhile...that ration repairs muscles quicker and reduces soreness, so they say.

Tuesday, November 22, 2005, 5:58 AM

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PLEASE read before you commit to the trainer.

I definitely wonder if the person who met the trainer is male or female. Females avg. body fat should be between 18 (at the low) and 22, or 23 (at the high end of normal). The trainer you spoke with should be certified by a recognized association, like AFAA, or NASM. Trainers (I was one for 4 years) focus way too much on protein and protein shakes/powders. Their job is to make you feel like you're doing it all wrong so you can buy PT. Meanwhile they talk a good game and go eat at McDonald's, because they work out in between clients all day. Don't let a good-looking trainer fool you. Get as much info as you can but meet with a professional. Ask to see their certifications, and ask what their specialization is. Ask if they've ever been certified in nutrition. A personal trainer is NOT supposed to give nutrition advice, this is IILEGAL. Only nutritionists can do so. Be careful you don't end up with some bone-head who's going to overtrain you and you won't be able to walk the next day.
Be careful and good luck,

Tuesday, November 22, 2005, 8:14 AM

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the person who met w a trainer is a MALE

Tuesday, November 22, 2005, 8:43 AM

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I think people should follow sensible eating suggestions that stand the test of time. High protein diets go in and out of fashion and while they are a short term fix and show fast results, actually can cause harm to a person't body. 45% protein is too high.

Tuesday, November 22, 2005, 11:10 AM

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How long has this guy been a trainer? I know at my gym anyone can end up being a trainer in 6 weeks. 23% body fat is perfectly fine and normal, did you want to look like a body builder? When you are really working your muscles hard you want more protein but 45% for the average female who works out 3x a week with weights? Thats just strenght training. I would find a different PT and get a 2nd opinion.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 1:12 AM

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Since the poster is male...

I guess 23% for a guy is on the high end, but it is true that you have to be generally suspicious of trainers, not because they're looking for clients (since that's a given), but their level of expertise. There are trainers that have graduate degrees in exercise physiology and nutrition. They may cost a bit more but the results you get are healthier and longer-lasting. Average trainers may get you results, but cause you injuries down the line because they don't really know their stuff. Be cautious and the best of luck to you!

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 8:21 AM

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the person who went to this trainer is a MAN. he is feeling desperate to lose the weight and right now is willing to listen to this trainer, I've tried talking to him but he's like a typical man and stubborn,lol you know I'm playing with you if you read this :-)
so like alot of us women who go on FAD diets all the time trying to fit an image that unreacheabel for the most of us he has to give this a try.... and like all of us who find out fad diets don't work he'll find out he needs to adjust his diet properly and will....
I'm not saying that it's right just that it's natural for us to try and listen to the "professionals" over our own natural God given sence....
he just wants to be buff and feeling REALLY discouraged that he hasn't had great change and has been dieting since May of this year...

so what we all should be doing is praying that this "fad" he's willing to try doesn't ruin his health and his sence comes to him soon

*to the poster... you know who I am cause you already know my input I told you last night when we talked I just want the others to know too why you are doing this... I just want the best for you cause we are buddies and I care about you *

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 8:32 AM

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Why not do something less harsh?
Why not do something as simple as eating oatmeal without sugar every morning for breakfast.
Lunch is a can of low sodium soup, a few crackers and a apple.
Dinner is 4-6 oz of fish or chicken, and all of the veggies you can eat.
workout 4 times a week for an hour, and every night after dinner go for a 30 minute walk around the block.
he also drank a galon of water a day
This is the plan my hubby put himself on, and he droped 70 pounds in 6 months

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 10:06 AM

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I am an ACE certified personal trainer, have worked in the field for over 6 years, trained underer a top PHD who is regularly featured in Prevention and Shape Magazine and I also work as a writer for IHRSA (the International Health, Racquet and Sportsclub Association).

For a male, that body fat is not unreasonable.

I do however disagree strongly with that nutrion breakdown. That is too much protein, not enough carbs or fat. It should be about 50-60% carbs (good carbs like veggies, oatmeal, fruit etc. that will supply you with energy), about 20% protein and the rest, up to 30%, from good fats (salmon, nuts, olive oil etc.). Too much protein will not make you lean and will not build muscle.

And when to do cardio depends on your goals. For fat loss, do it first. To focus on building muscle, do it second.

I also would like to add that a personal trainer is there for fitness NOT NUTRITION. Fitness staff are not qualifed or trained to do so. It is wrong for him to set up a diet plan for you unless he has a degree or some specialized certification or license.

Take his exercise advice if you must, after finding out what his credentials/certifiactions are, but I suggest you seek out a registered dietician for help with your diet. Personal trainers should not be giving out diet advice to you. They are not qualified to do so.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 12:15 PM

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he promised me last night he would seek out the help of a registered dietician .
now lets hope he does


Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 1:29 PM

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Met A legitimate trainer for advice

I know this is a little late. But avoid the guy from Ballys. He is full of crap. Perhaps too new to training.
60% carbs, 30% or less for fats/oils/sweets and 10-15% protein. You need carbs for energy. You need protein for repairs and growth. Your body fat percentage is in the normal range for a woman. 15% is too low unless you want to be "cut" or have a clear show of muscles.
If you go to a trainer, check them out first. They need to be certified by a national accredited agency.
Go to the NOCA website I have linked below to check out the credentials. You also want to SEE the card and certification number. It should be an original, not a copy. If you still have concerns, call the accrediting agency and verify that your trainer holds a CURRENT certification.
There are TONS of fakes out there. If they are not NOCA agency certified, they are not quality trainers and you should avoid them.
A trainer without much knowledge is a loaded cannon.
I hope this helps.


Thursday, August 23, 2007, 9:04 PM

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To the OP:

Isn't it disgusting how everyone here just assumed you were a woman and told you you were doing it all wrong?

Maybe 45 is a *little* high- 40 is fine. 60% carb is SO not neccessary. That's utter BS. A lot of diets suggest 40/30/30 protein/fat/carb. Otherwise, men and women's bodies are totally different, 23% bf is high for a male- I don't think the Bally trainer is going to harm you, and what works for a woman won't work for a man, so keep that in mind when listening to the hen party here.

Thursday, August 23, 2007, 10:14 PM

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I find that you said "hen party" extremely offensive. Take your fat ass to a site that is predominantly males and do that kind of talking there.

Friday, August 24, 2007, 11:27 AM

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11:27- this is 10:14. A) My ass is not fat. B) I am a woman who is disgusted with the way some women on this site act, and have every right to refer to them as a hen party.

Perhaps you should be the one to respect that this is a site for men and women, and not just women.

Friday, August 24, 2007, 11:39 AM

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amen!! i have to agree that too many posters assume that everyone else is probably a woman, given the types of comments and content of some advice. like it or not, there is too much cackling on the forum at times. some of the hens on this site should spend more time tending to their own nests instead of declaring that the term "hen party" is offensive in the same breath they use to call another poster a fat ass.

Friday, August 24, 2007, 11:51 AM

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I refuse to accept being called a hen. Maybe its ok for you, because your husbands call you bitches or cows, but not for me. I refuse to be called any kind of animal. Civil rights and the women who faught for them have come to far for one obnoxious and ignorant one to set us back.

Well, suit yourselves. Call one woman a hen and really you are calling yourself a small, jittery, fat, mindless, pecking, clucking, helpless barn animal that only serves to produce food for her owners, and has no other purpose.

Friday, August 24, 2007, 12:04 PM

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why is this thread being resurrected? it was written nearly 2 yrs ago. the guy probably got sick of all the clucking and left...

Friday, August 24, 2007, 1:19 PM

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i think you might have an egg stuck in your a**. there's obviously something up thinks thou dost protest too much (cluck, cluck)

Friday, August 24, 2007, 1:39 PM

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12:04pm-- I agree with you. Calling women or men animals is wrong. Half the time I wish these threads were not anonymous so certain people couldn't hide out while being vicious to others.

Friday, August 24, 2007, 3:29 PM

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And i think that you just have your leash on too tight. (woof woof)

Friday, August 24, 2007, 3:51 PM

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Case in point.

Friday, August 24, 2007, 5:53 PM

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