We've tried our way, now let's try His.

I've lost weight before on any number of plans, but have to keep doing it again and again. Right now I just cannot face another failure and cannot summon the will to count calories, points, carbs or any other thing. When I did Weigh Down Workshop I was successful, thought I had IT conquered, and then back slid. I want to make my relationship with God closer, focus my energy on that, and let the obsession with food take care of itself. Anyone in with me?
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Mon. May 28, 2:16pm

First of all, what is Weigh Down workshop? Secondly, I'm with you with feeling like I don't want to constantly think about points, carbs, etc. I wish losing weight was like going to college or getting a degree. You did the work, took the test, received the certificate and then you were done. Too bad it's an ongoing maintenance thing. I guess that's why it's a "life change" instead of a project for now. I just can't imagine that some day I will think "I would rather have a carrot, instead of a cheeseburger." How long will it take to get to that point? Or is it that I need to get to the point where I'm saying, "feeling thin, outweighs the taste of the cheeseburger". Sorry rambling now.

Monday, May 28, 2007, 2:36 PM

If god really gave a crap about what people are eating, he might have done better to spend time on what starving kids in Africa aren't eating rather than what overweight people are.

Monday, May 28, 2007, 3:09 PM

God does provide...I will pray for you. I hope your anger subsides so you can deal with whatever it is that is really bothering you.

PS You may beangry at God for starving kids....but ask yourself what are you doing to help those starving children?

Monday, May 28, 2007, 5:28 PM

That isn't the lords fault. When man entered the earth it was perfect, man is the reason it is the way it is.

Monday, May 28, 2007, 11:36 PM

Gwen Shamblin created Weigh Down Workshop Exodus out ot Egypt. It teaches you to eat only when you feel true hunger. It is also a Bible study. I did it and I lost a fair amount of weight. I have always been the type of person who will clean my plate. She teaches you to stop eating when you are full and to eat the best tasting bites first. I would eat a hamburger and save the piece with the pickle until last because I thought it tasted the best. Now I eat the best bites first. You don't have to count anything with this program just find out what true hunger feel like and eat then. I developed a closer and more intimate relationship with God thru this program. I think if you google it you will find out more info. I hope this helps.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 10:05 AM

Keep this stuff in your Sunday day. Don't bring it out here. We don't want to hear it.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 10:22 AM

The Jesus Diet

What Would Jesus Eat?

WWJE

I bet he was not obese

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 10:55 AM

To me my faith is not just a Sunday thing, it is my whole being and Following our faith is helpful in our daily walk, of which diet and exercise is. So if it upsets you to hear what God can do for us, then I suggest you stay off of this thread, Remember in the United States, we still have Freedom of Speech, we don't have to like or agree with what others say.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:09 AM

PT please remove. I hate having Jesus shoved down my throat.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:11 AM

The Jesus Diet

LOL, I bet he wasn't, but that's not to say he didn't have temptations. 1 Chor.10:13

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:11 AM

What would Jesus eat? That would be Kosher.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:12 AM

Hmm, kosher, not a bad idea. Except I like a lot of non kosher foods too.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:22 AM

too bad.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:23 AM

To the 2:36pm poster, the only one after the OP who's actually talking about weight loss and not about religion, no, you will likely never get to the point where you prefer a carrot to a cheeseburger. You may get to the point, though, where a 1/4 lb burger, with one slice of cheese and a pile of veggies on top (tomato, lettuce, pickle, etc.) plus half of a whole wheat bun (or no bun at all) will satisfy you, and although you'd like a huge side of fries or chips, you're okay with passing them up, and having fresh fruit on the side instead. Or, maybe even carrot sticks on the side! ;-) And, that's your meal; you enjoy it and move forward. You aren't "stuffed," like you would be from a half-pound bacon cheeseburger and a huge side of fries and a milkshake, but you are satisfied, and that's enough.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:24 AM

Yes, because you can just look at all the skinny Rabbis out there to see how good a diet Kosher is.

Wanna know god's super secret diet? EAT LESS. DO MORE. that's it. you don't need to read any special christian diet books, no need to research what moses ate in the desert or interpret passages from leviticus. Just eat less and do more. The best part is, it works whether you believe in Jesus or not. God gave you willpower, now use it. The devil doesn't tempt anyone, you tept yourself. Take some personal responsibility, stop blaming external forces and eat less, and I bet you'll look a lot less like friar tuck.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:30 AM

Jesus diet

I think you read a lot more into my post than is there, but yes I can shed some weight and eating less and exercising more is my plan. And my help comes from the Lord.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:39 AM

Praise the lord. hallelujah. Kumbaya and all that shiz.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:41 AM

Maybe this is why the world is so screwed up right now. Everyone expects god to help them lose weight or help them find their way out of some problem that they created themselves- He's probably too busy answering all these petty little requests to actually get any work done.

I'm surprised the planet hasn't been hit by a comet.

Doesn't praying for every little miniscule request or help with every decision diminish the meaning of prayer? You wanna praise jesus? stop being an idiot. I'm betting he'd appreciate that a lot more that requests for weight loss tips.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:45 AM

i thought everyone was welcome here

how about this- NON CHRISTIANS- DON'T READ THREADS THAT ARE RELIGOUS IN NATURE- then it won't be "shoved down your throats".

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:48 AM

Boo hoo, someone doesn't agree with me.

You may not have noticed this, but someone disagrees with almost every post, be it "vegans for weight loss" or "the laxative diet". Weight loss is a contentious issue. Religion is a contentious issue.

I suggest you develop a thicker skin and learn to defend yourself instead of crying discrimination. Is your faith so weak it can't stand sarcasm or critical thought?

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:53 AM

I've never seen so many nasty women in my life! Why is it that women rip other women left and right if they happen to have opposing opinions? Wasn't this supposed to be a safe place to find support no matter what your belief? I suppose its okay because its anonymous, right? I'm going to assume the mean and nasty are such because of the diet there on! Eat something.......please!

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 5:25 PM

God MUST be EVIL he created cellulite !!!!!!!!! With no known method of counteracting it.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 7:26 PM

5:25, why is it that women expect other women to agree with them and support them just because they are women? To get back on track, we're ripping on christians, regardless of gender.

Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 4:55 AM

I find it interesting that all the "christians*" expect god to listen to all their requests for help with weight, health, their mortgage, the unwashed heathens that plague them by being snarky on message boards, etc, etc But they really don't expect him to do anything about real, actual, serious problems - peace in the middle east, hunger, abuse kids, what ever. Obviously they pray to a god of very, very small interests.

Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 5:11 AM

Bible thumpers - quit preaching! Do you even have the faintest idea of the pleasures of sleeping in on a Sunday morning, or even having sex on a Sunday morning.
Happy skinny agnostic here doing just fine thank you very much.

Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 9:18 AM

yikes! i thought i was going to read about a new diet guru who could save me with his way...i did not expect the dude to be god or jesus, though. wouldn't it be nice if the congregations started a campaign against starvation and obesity, especially when the two coexist in the same communities? instead of preaching about the morality of choosing life or abstaining from sex, some action in the way of nutritional education and more food drives would provide immediate results and maybe even add to their respective parishes.

Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 9:50 AM

Weigh Down Workshop

I started this site and am so computer illiterate that I didn't know where to look for it and see how it was going. I am so incredibly shocked! Why do people who disagree with this idea feel compelled to belittle and "rip christians"? It is fine to disagree. I disagree with them and their outlook on Christianity. But why are they so angry and ugly about it. Why waste their time writing hateful things that are just meant to hurt others? I'm not trying to convert any one, just looking for others who recognise God as our help and our rock. He is all powerful and able to take care of BIG problems and still care and help me with my small (but improtant to me) problems. I will pray that the ones on this thread who are so angry and unhappy will find peace and contentment.

Friday, June 15, 2007, 8:48 PM

Just be happy in your little christian bubble and leave such incredibly difficult feats of intellectual gymnastics to those of us born with more than 50 IQ points. Now go pray for the eternal salvation of your thighs or whatever it is that god supposedly brings to your weight loss goals.

Friday, June 15, 2007, 9:12 PM

"cannot summon the will....."

If you don't want to backslide, read the Nutrition Facts panel on the back of the food products you buy. Only buy SINGLE DIGIT items, that is, what has fats and sodium represented as a percentage of your diet in SINGLE DIGITS. MAKE NO EXCEPTIONS if you really do want to lose weight. Eat twice a day instead of three times, breakfast and dinner. If you can't make it without something for lunch, eat a banana. Make it a really big banana if you're worried about it. Don't go out to eat, prepare your own food, and cut your portion sizes WAY DOWN. You're not going to harm yourself at all by eating less.

And obviously, maintain a realistic exercise routine, and STICK WITH IT rain or shine. Something every other day, no exceptions, no excuses. You CAN do it.

Listen here, God is a ventriliquist. He speaks through other people. Pay attention to what other people say about specific weight loss issues, and help yourself get better.

This forum is for specific, PRACTICAL advice about diet and exercise. You can't blame others for being upset with Christian proselytizing, it offends the spirit of this forum, which is to connect people with weight loss, and exercise issues, NOT religious issues.

If you need help summoning the will to get healthy, go talk to your pastor.

-Erik

Saturday, June 16, 2007, 7:28 AM

The Plan

On 5/25 someone else wrote a concise description of the Weigh Down Workshop. Eat only when your hungry and eat only till your slightly full. Your body will crave good nutritious food in just the amount it needs to work well. That will eliminate emotional eating of every kind, And lets face it that is the eating that makes us overweight. We want to learn to eat like a skinny person! If you think about it all of the non-Christian based diet plans do the same thing, eliminate extra eating, they just do it by making you count and measure how much food you are "allowed" to have. We are just trying to learn to listen to our bodies, and eat the amount we NEED not want. I'm sorry and suprised that so many people are offended because we seek strength from God and His word to help us change habits.

Saturday, June 16, 2007, 8:09 PM

I dont understand why some people bother to respond. I could tell, just by how the OP capitalized Him in the title that it was about God. So, if you know that going in, or even after you read the first post, and you dont agree with it or believe in what she does, why waste your time and respond. She stated specifically that she was looking for LIKE MINDED individuals, she wsa not looking to convert anyone.Is it because you have nothing better to do? Do you get off by putting others down and making them feel like crap for their beliefs? That is a form of abuse you know. And trust me I know of what I speak. If you dont agree, move on. Nothing says you have to respond, nothing. I have been seeing so much bashing and rude behavior on these boards that it makes me sick. This is supposed to be SUPPORT!!!! I am so glad that I have team members and group members that are actually helpful, and I am eternally grateful that I met them before I came to the lounge, otherwise I dont think I would have stayed. We are all here for the same reason, getting fit and healthy, why do we also have to knock people down?

Saturday, June 16, 2007, 8:23 PM

I totally agree with you!! You hit the nail right on the head.

Sunday, June 17, 2007, 9:01 AM

thanks for the comment and supportive attitude. What a waste of time and energy to be so angry about everything and every one you come in contact with.
Back on topic, is anyone using Weigh Down currently? I still have the audio tapes from when I originally started WD and am listening to them to reinforce what I know, but haven't been practicing.
One good thing I've done today is eat my morning bowl of cereal and banana and am checking in here before I eat a second one. Trying to give my "full signal" time to get to my brain. I know this will sound funny, but I think mine is a little slower than norm. I just need to wait a little longer before I decide to eat more or not.

Sunday, June 17, 2007, 10:37 AM

wow

wow- what an interesting experience! I did WDW a few years ago and lost 20# in 6 weeks. When I went back to my old way of eating- I gained it all back.... perhaps I should revisit it!
So intereting that there is so much hate and negativity. Wonder what the deal is. The Secret Team is looking to spirituality for their answers and I don't see anyone hatefully bashing over there.
Very interesting

Sunday, June 17, 2007, 12:56 PM

WDW

A friend of mine did this a few years ago. She did lose some weight, but I thought her methods didn't make sense to me. After all, when she was hungry, she ate a snickers bar instead of anything healthy! She also let her little boy eat this way, and guess when he wanted when he was hungry? Candy!! I don't think she followed the plan the way it was meant to be followed.

Sunday, June 17, 2007, 6:12 PM

Bananas

Bananas are great, they have a lot of potassium in them which has been identified as beneficial for reducing blood pressure :) Potatoes have tons of potassium in them too, but aren't great for your diet if you're worried about carbs. I was eating bananas like it was going out of style not to long ago, and kind of burned myself out on them, I just got sick of eating bananas all the time. Now I eat one a day, and I really look forward to my "banana break" :) A good "filler" food at breakfast is an apple, or a pear. Fruit with some bulk will send that "full" message to your brain without feeling like you've overeaten.

Of course, if you're cereal is Sugar Cocoa Choco Frosted Flakes then it all goes out the window. I know it sounds corny, but granola is a delicious breakfast super food. Great with a banana too :)

Sunday, June 17, 2007, 8:47 PM

What we eat

The theory in WDW is that your body, if you learn to listen to it, will tell you what you need to eat. Occasionally a Snickers is what you really want. But I do agree that choosing healthy whole foods is going to benifit you, fill you and make your body work better. Maybe it' just a cop out, but I always save a little space for a sweet after a meal. Many times it is a chocolate Reisen. Just one and it is so chewy and very rich that I feel satisfied and "finished" with my meal. Sometimes I leave part of my meal behind, sometimes not. I have definately made smaller portions because I'm not good at throwing away food. I also feel better if I know any leftovers can go to the dog or chickens. That stratigy won't work for every one, but it helps me. I hope all fo you gain encouragement from these messages. At the risk of setting off all the anti-God people again, let me ask, how do you feel about ITimothy 4:4-5 and how it relates to our food?
Gotta run for now, have a great and blessed day! AE

Monday, June 18, 2007, 11:34 AM

Overeaters Anonymous

OA is a 10 step program which follows the structure of AA. For some of you posters who have a problem with God, perhaps this program can help you see the power of something higher than yourselves.

Overeaters Anonymous is very supportive of all members, regardless of who their "higher power" is. It's a personal decision. My faith in God is my higher power.....always has been and will be.

To those of you who say we are tying God up with our ridiculous prayers for help overcoming a problem with our weight, you obviously don't know God. He is All Powerful. Could God put an end to war, world hunger, Aids, and all the other maladies facing this planet? Yes, but this is our world, and they are our problems, created by mankind.

If the thought of God helping others work on their weight issues offends some of you I don't apologize for my beliefs. I suggest you look elsewhere for support and stop reading this thread. It only shows your intolerance and lack of compasion for others beliefs.

Monday, June 18, 2007, 12:45 PM

so...aren't you responsible, aren't we all responsible, for being overweight? if you won't pray to god to end war, a man-made problem, why would you pray for weight-loss?

Monday, June 18, 2007, 12:51 PM

Who says we don't pray to end wars

Monday, June 18, 2007, 5:22 PM

food is fuel

Food is supposed to be fuel, and when we learn to use it as such our bodies will lean down. When it ceases to draw us as a comfort, tranquilizer, pepper upper, punishment, reward, pleasure, indulgence etc. then we won't have to keep fighting it. When I need fuel, I want to eat something that tastes good, then when I'm full STOP. Don't just keep eating because it tastes good or it might be a while till the next meal. There will always be another meal, another chance to have that scrumptious dish or desert.

Monday, June 18, 2007, 5:31 PM

So How did you get fat? When you were cramming that cheeseburger down your throat where was your almighty God? When you ballooned on the scale and puzzled over "How Did I Put On This Weight?" Where was your God ? He certainly wasn't sending down a couple of tablets with the 10 Commandments of Healthy Eating

You made yourself fat. You are the one who fixes it - God has nothing to do with it? Next thing you will be blaming the devil for inhaling the tub of fried chicken.

Monday, June 18, 2007, 6:31 PM

I'm not Christian nor do I like the proselytizing I've had to endure over the years. However I'm just disgusted at the way this thread is being attacked.

OP, I am grateful you capitalized "Him" in the subject line so we all knew this thread had a religious slant. For people who don't believe in Christianity, why bother picking a fight on threads like these? What are you trying to prove? Move on and let's all focus on the task at hand, weight loss and self acceptance.

Blessed be.

Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:45 PM

No, I am the one who misused what God gave me (the food) and made myself fat. I am also the one who needs to relearn how to eat. God is the one who designed my body, knows how it works and planned for it to work well when fed well. Seeking His advice (in the Bible) is like reading an instruction manual. I'm not praying to miraculously wake up skinny! I'm praying that I will learn to use food for what it was intended, (fuel) and that God will help me have the will to keep trying when I don't do as well as I wish I could.

I would also like to thank you for your input, because trying to explain to you what I believe and why helps me to clarify and reinforce my beliefs. Hope you have a great day and learn to enjoy life! AE

Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:45 PM

Darwins Theory and the Evolution of Man

God did not create your body, it evolved, Therefor there is no God to help you out of your predicament.

Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:50 PM

How did animals make the leap from cold blooded to warm blooded in one evolutionary leap? This is a whole other topic. Very interesting and with a lot of information available. One good web site is apoligeticspress.org

Are we going to talk about loosing weight or not? AE

Monday, June 18, 2007, 8:07 PM

It's funny that the people not wanting to hear about God continue to participate in a thread that they know THAT will be the topic.

Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 12:56 AM

Yeah, doesn't it suck to be electronically shouted at by people who don't believe as you do. And isn't it annoying how non-jesus freaks also want to exercise their freedom of speech "inappropriately". I mean, it's almost as ridiculous as banging on about god on a weight loss website.

Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 1:13 AM

i did not expect this thread to be about religion, but i got sucked into the debate about the appropriateness. why isn't it appropriate if people want to discuss it? obviously, some feel that it's a fine topic. i am a vegan, but i don't go into threads about chicken and write nasty-worded comments about the poultry industry. and i really don't believe in diet pills, either, so i don't go in and share my opinion unless it's a thread that speaks of the dangers of diet pills. why don't you start a thread on the topic of keeping certain topics out of the community forum, if that is your opinion? then many people could intentionally read your views and support or disagree with them and we'd have a concensus for future reference.

Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 8:58 AM

This is an opt-in discussion

To those who are demanding the removal of threads like this because they don't like having religion shoved down their throats: Please remember that PT discussion are opt-in, not opt-out. Which means you are only here because you chose to be here. I knew upon reading the topic title that it would be God-based and Christian, and so did you. I opted in because I was curious about what the poster might have to say--just curious in a general way. Some of you clearly opted in because you wanted to antagonize and stir things up.

Please don't do that. It ruins this forum.

I don't opt in to threads if the subject line has vulgar language because I prefer clean language.
I don't opt into discussions about the benefits of low-carb diets, because I don't like those diets.
I don't opt in to threads about flirting at the gym, cheating on your spouse, running marathons, or vegetarianism, because those don't interest me. The fact that I can opt out of them means that nobody is shoving flirtation, adultery, extreme sports or the vegan lifestyle down my throat. It's really, really easy to ignore whatever doesn't appeal to me personally.

And since there are so many different kinds of people on here, it's nice to know that there can be a thread to match whatever any small portion of us finds helpful--if we can resist the urge to troll, show a little restraint and tolerance, and recognize that the world and the PT world don't revolve around what any one of us personally thinks, or prefers, or believes.

Stick to what interests you. Live and let live. Don't shove stuff you hate down your own throat--you're choking yourself and frustrating others.

Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 12:33 PM

12:33 I am giving you a standing ovation right now

Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 1:38 PM

12:33 Thank you for your eloquently worded comments to those who feel offended by this thread. I haven't invaded "their" thread and forced my beliefs on them.

I am still looking for people who want to loose the obsession with food, and stop dieting. In the past I have used Weigh Down Workshop and liked many (not all) of the ideas I found there. I just quit following the plan. Any one still have their tapes? Workbook? Any one want help from someone who is all powerful but still cares about you?

Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 1:13 PM

I don't think there is anything wrong with this thread. If you don't like it then don't read it or start your own. There are diets out there based on eating like the cavemen did. Fundamentalist Christians, like the founder of Weigh Down Workshop, don't believe in cavemen, just like some of you don't believe in God or Jesus. Beliefs permeate every aspect of society. Even weight loss is not exempt. And just like everything else we should act with tolerance and respect in regards to the beliefs of others, even if we think they are wrong. The OP was simply sharing something that worked for her.

Now, just for some information, I live in the area of Tennessee where the founder of Weigh Down lives and the followers of her plan are known to be slightly cult like. They have their own enormous Weigh Down church which they encourage people to join. I understand the idea of supporting each other but I think its unhealthy to encourage people to leave their communities for one where everyone is just like them. Removing yourself from the world is very dangerous. Also, my mom used Weigh Down and it did not work for her because she still ate foods that were not nutritious. If you want to follow the whole "God" line of thinking, he provided fruits and vegetables and whole grains. Man made Big Macs with chemicals created in labs. Weigh Down did not emphasize the importance of eating healthy foods. Eating healthy food until you are full is much better for weight loss than eating unhealthy food until you are full.

Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 3:33 PM

Weigh Down program

I went to Weigh Down Workshops. I got some good general advice from it, and I agreed with the approach to eating (and not eating) in many ways. It fits with my Christian believes in some ways, but what concerned me was I discovered that Gwen has started her own church. That seems almost cult-like to me. There is apparently some key Christian doctrine which she does not agree with.= and had to start her own church. She apparently has a big following. If you do the workshop, you get to watch videos and see all the extremely happy people. But mixing the issue of overeating with such a systematic scriptural approach just seems a bit of a stretch to me, and I feel that she is using the Lord to make money.... that it is really about her and no doubt a program that has made her very rich. I also think that the Weigh Down workshop can be summarized easily without doing the workshop. You can buy the book and it's enough, or don't buy the book and just eat when you're hungry and stop eating when you are full. Eat foods you like and always be very aware of your true hunger versus your head hunger. Other dieticians and trained professionals give similar advice.

Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 6:25 PM

3:33 and 6:25 , thanks for the input. I haven't heard much about Gwen since I did the workshop probably close to 10 years ago. It is true that anything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme. I really like the learning where true hunger is and true fullness. I always had trouble with her saying how bad it was to love food and that it was like making it into an idol. I see the point, any thing we abuse (food) we are making more important to us than our obedience to God, but are we stretching this beyond where we should by calling it an idol?

Thursday, June 21, 2007, 12:52 AM

i just don't understand how the basic, age-old, tried-and-true method of eating when you're hungry and stopping when you're full can actually be "marketted" over and over under so many brand-name-diets!!! this knowledge is not some new discovery or breakthrough. it would seem obvious to me that anyone who markets an idea that's been around for decades, if not centuries, is in it solely for the money. just take a bit of what may once have been common-knowledge and put a personal spin on a couple not-so-key aspects, just to make it your own. then sell the newly-fashioned idea to the masses.

Thursday, June 21, 2007, 9:07 AM

9:07 you make a VERY good point. But sometimes it takes someone slaping us in the back of the head to get us to see how far off track we have gotten and how obsessed about what is in the food and how to manipulate that instead of just plain old "push back from the table sooner". I have trouble with eating when I'm tired, stressed, mad, happy etc. so now I am learning how to just listen to my body and find true hunger. No eating for nerves. Sometimes I do it some times not.

Thursday, June 21, 2007, 10:56 PM

A big problem with chronic overeaters, is that they're trying to compensate for something missing in thier lives. Many of them interpret this as a lack of "faith". As a person in a 12-Step program (recovery from substance abuse), I can certainly relate to that feeling and am grateful for the relationship I've developed with my Higher Power to help me in my quest to be a healthier, and happier person.

But, it doesn't begin and end with God. I can't even begin to tell you how many tiumes I've seen people "go back out there" (relapse) after they claim to have gotten the spiritual angle. God is important obviously, but you're sabotaging your own recovery if you don't do everything else it takes to maintain your new life. It takes support, hard work, dedication, willingness, commitment, tools that you pick up along the way, and other people in recovery. And yes of course, faith. God will help you focus your mind, but he won't do the work for you.

We have a lot of sayings in the program, like- "Keep It Simple", "Left Foot Right Foot", and "One Day At A Time", but one of my favorites is- "It doesn't matter how the ass got in the ditch, just get it out, and then you can contemplate your navel." It means that faith is good, but you also have to DO THE WORK. Another saying is- "God won't go to the store for you." Maybe you get my point :) Take care.

Friday, June 22, 2007, 2:56 AM

2:56 Thanks. Your comments and ideas were some of the most constructive I've gotten here. Your right. It's up to me to do the work. Like buying healthier food and making time to prepare them. Getting off the couch and going for a walk or getting on the gazell trainer sitting over in the corner. But where I started I was just so tired and discouraged with all the counting and etc with dieting I just couldn't face it again. I think that re-focusing on listening to my body and recognizing that God made it to function well with the right nutrition helped me be able to try to get a handle on my overeating. Now if I want to I have one or two cookies after supper, not six or eight. It is just a different way of doing things.

Friday, June 22, 2007, 9:36 PM

I'm going to add a comment to see if I can gain any interest in this group again. I'm looking for ways to keep my eating under control when it is just for emotional reasons. Any tips? I have started using my gazele trainer, but not very religiously.

Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 10:06 PM

HMM!

Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 11:13 PM

Does anyone know anything about intuitive eating? It sounds similar to the weigh down workshop idea. Is there a book or something? Hope you can help.

Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 1:54 AM

To the originator of this thread, I commend you for your faith and hope you truly do focus your energy on a closer walk. I recently read the following on a Purpose Driven Life calendar :
God waits for you to act first. Don't wait to feel powerful or confident. Move ahead in your weakness, doing the right thing in spite of your fears and feelings. This is how you cooperate with the Holy Spirit, and it is how your character develops.
And:
While effort has nothing to do with your salvation, it has much to do with your spiritual growth. At least eight times in the New Testament we are told to "make every effort" in our growth toward becoming like Jesus. You don't just sit and wait for it to happen.

I believe God will truly give you the strength and power to overcome your obsession with food but I also believe he expects you to do the work and the more you walk with him the more strength you’ll find you have and the easy it becomes. The choice is yours and the effort you chose to put forth is yours he’s just waiting to be asked to come along.

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 4:16 AM

Why don't any of you guys go on the Christians Uniited in Christ Team? Nobody's there !

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 7:17 AM

Oh yes, a resurrection of the God threads - let the nastiness begin anew!

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 9:38 AM

If you are offended by Christianity here's your heads up to stop reading now and skip this thread altogether.

Believers stay strong God does say we will be persecuted for our belief and it’s apparent that even simple words of encouragement can strike a nerve with some people, which actually is a good thing hopefully god will keep striking those nerves till they accept his mercy and grace and realize God wants to help us in every walk of our lives including our weight struggles. Remember we make our own choices and if you choose to let negative people bring you down then you made that choice so whenever you read something you know is hogwash breeze right past it on your way to strength, success and peace, keep moving forward for your real reward is in heaven.

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 5:23 PM

4:16 and 5:23, THANK YOU!!! You completely understand the idea I'm going after. I must do the work, but if I strengthen my connection with God, He will give me the strength to change. At times I need courage to even want to try again. I have tried and failed so often. I bet I've lost more than a hundred pounds in the past. Last year it was 30 on weight watchers, but the minute I lose concentration and motivation here comes the weight again. Now all 30 is back, and like I say, I need the courage to even try again.
If people want to bash me (and my Lord) on this site, it isn't especially encouraging, but it does help me to reinforce why I believe what I do, and rejoice in what I have, and mourn for those who don't have it.
Back to the post at 4:16, I want you to know I printed it out and am going to use it to encourage myself. Thank you again. Please post as often as possible and consider joining our group. I hope to find ways to uplift you too. AE

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 6:10 PM

he's not the messiah.. he's a very naughty boy!

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 6:18 PM

The group Christian Believers United in Christ needs you guys. Come jion our group!

Saturday, July 21, 2007, 10:13 PM

Looking to G-d for help in your weight loss

For me, this is actually a very good method.

Look at why you want to lose weight. Do you think it will make you happier?
Why are you really not happy? Work on those things. It seems religion is a big part of this for you. Using that energy and filling your head with those thoughts (of whatever you want to work on in your life and make better), you will obsess about food less.

When you aren't thinking about food less, it is easier to follow your diet.

So, best of luck! If this is something you are willing to do, it will work for you. Anything that increases your directed energies will help you be successful with your weight as well.

Monday, July 23, 2007, 2:22 AM

Dissapointment

I am new here and was very disappointed when I got to this thread.

Everyone is free to their own opinion. Don't slam someone for expressing how they feel or if they believe something may help them.

I am a Christian and was raised in a Christian home. I have NEVER tried to shove my views down anyone's throat. Its called free will. God gave us that.

If you have a problem with hearing about Christianity why did you read this thread? Why the need to comment? Just move on and read something else.

It was sad to see how grown women treat each other. Makes me doubt the maturity level here. I thought this was someone to come for SUPPORT. Not to be criticized.

Monday, July 23, 2007, 12:36 PM

"Everyone is free to their own opinion. " i totally agree.

"Don't slam someone for expressing how they feel or if they believe something may help them. "

but, if everyone is free to their own opinion, why can't i express my upset at someone for expressing how they feel...? (ie: why is my opinion invalid if i disagree?)

Monday, July 23, 2007, 12:50 PM

you are missing the point. they are expressing how they feel. you can express your opinion about something. but being negative towards someone else is unnecessary i think. don't come into a thread about something you don't like and talk trash on them.

be mature about it. this isn't elementary school. we are adults.

Monday, July 23, 2007, 1:40 PM

offering a different opinion is not being negative. it is offering a different opinion. maybe sharing more than one viewpoint is beneficial?

Monday, July 23, 2007, 1:46 PM

sharing a veiwpoint is one thing. being ridiculous is another. THESE posts are mainly what I am referring to:

"Keep this stuff in your Sunday day. Don't bring it out here. We don't want to hear it.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 10:22 AM

PT please remove. I hate having Jesus shoved down my throat.

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 11:11 AM"

i am sorry if you disagree, but no one is FORCING you do read it.

Monday, July 23, 2007, 1:54 PM

How come you guys aren't on Chritians United in Christ Group?

Monday, July 23, 2007, 2:05 PM

10:05Am are their any way down groups on PT

Monday, July 23, 2007, 2:07 PM

2:05

I can't find the group :(

Monday, July 23, 2007, 2:40 PM

Go to teams, key in Christian and hit the search button on your right it will take you to the teams available, love to have you join!

Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 4:56 AM

I thought this was going to be a thread about trying to lose weight like men do...

Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 9:12 AM

OP here. The group I started originally is Ex Weigh Down Workshoppers. I think it's a team though. Try typing "down" in the search box. I think if you click on the link that appears in the first posting it will take you there. Will watch for you.

Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 12:08 PM

8:23

8:23...I applaud you, what a way to state the so very obvious...

OP, I wish you the very best!

Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 2:28 PM

crazy

I am not quite sure why some people are upset that others believe in god. Let me tell you when I pray, I pray for everything and everybody even those I am not fond of. Somedays you just need some divine intervention. I hope that non-Christians find something to believe in and stop spreading hate. Good luck OP, don't give up. And talk - God listens.

Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 3:07 PM

OP's thought for the day

Food is fuel. Our bodies need it to run well. The better the fuel the better we will run. If we cram too much in our fuel tank it will make quite the mess. So, I need to quit being foolish and wasting fuel by cramming too much in. I've already made a big enough mess. AE

Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 5:53 PM

I'm excited to report that I've lost 4 lbs in two weeks just following the WD ideas. I keep lower fat and "healthy" snacks around but if I want some sugar or fat I eat it. Just knowing I can have somemore any time I want to lets me eat just one portion and eliminates binges. Very freeing.

Wednesday, August 1, 2007, 1:26 PM

Any one see the blurb on Yahoo mail about Weigh Down? I read some of the comments there and there are positive and negative of course, but there is info if your interested.
Thought for the day, this is progress, not perfection.
Have a great progressive day!

Sunday, August 5, 2007, 10:35 AM

thoughts...

Peace and Gods Love to those who cast stones. For he who cast stones knows nothing.

For those who are losing weigth with the support of the Mighty Hand, may God continue to give you strength and favor.

Monday, August 6, 2007, 2:17 PM

did god make you fat? why don't you look inside yourself for the answers to weight loss?

Monday, August 6, 2007, 2:28 PM

God didn't make anyone "fat" but he did make everyone different. Not everyone has the same genetics and metabolism. Some of us have to work harder than others to be and stay thin. Such as myself. A lot of it has to do with the way food has changed over years and years. Before all of the McDonals and Popeyes and Casa Oles. As YUMMY as that stuff is. BAD for you to eat.

Monday, August 6, 2007, 3:05 PM

Monday 2:28 Who made you fat? Who made you grumpy?

Wednesday, August 8, 2007, 11:01 AM

i'm not fat or grumpy. i think people should take responsibility for reaching their goals. i believe that turning to god for matters that one has the ability to control oneself wastes energy, time and fails to recognize that sometimes we have to take action, not just activley ask for help.

Wednesday, August 8, 2007, 11:06 AM

If your not fat, why are you on a weight loss web site? Now the grumpy is debatable. If you read this whole thread, you will see that we are interested in taking responsibility for our actions, but are interested in God's help when we try and change a flaw in our character.

Friday, August 10, 2007, 9:20 PM

I am terribly sadden when I read post that are so unsupportive. Why come to a support group if you're only going to complain? Why come to a thread that has "HIM" in the name if you are not a believer? Why not just stay away? I truly believe you do not have enough drama in your life and for some reason enjoy hurting others. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ! I will shout it from the rooftops!!! Jesus Saves!! Jesus Saves!! (I'm even doing a jig in my kitchen while I sing :P)
I have not used this program but have heard great things about it. I will look into it in my area, thank you OP for bringing it up!!

Saturday, August 11, 2007, 12:05 AM

Spot on, 11:06!

I agree, although I do believe in God, he should not be involved in weight problems. What a selfish thing to do, to call upon God to help you eliminate the fat and wate you have accumulated over a lifetime of sinful gluttony! Have some humility and shame! Fix yourself.

Saturday, August 11, 2007, 10:34 AM

If "sinful gluttony" is what got me in this position, who better to get help from than the one who can forgive sin? Again, I am not asking God to remove my fat, I am asking His help to fix a character flaw. I am the one that must recognize when I have had enough to eat and then be willing to STOP EATING! If I recognize that my body is the temple of God, and that He needs it to be health so that I may serve Him well, then I can rely on Him to help me reach my goals. It says in Phillipians 4 that "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me". It doesn't say I can do things that are going to have world wide impact. All is a very big word. Christ is willing to help me with my very personal problems and he is also able to help when I'm working on "big" problems that may have world wide impact. He is willing to help you too if you will let Him.

And while we're at it don't get all over me for prosolitizing or preaching when you get all over me for my beliefs. I'm just answering what the poster said. When I started this thread I asked for like minded people. If your not like minded what are you doing here? I am not who started the preaching.

Sunday, August 12, 2007, 9:37 AM

Where have all the Jesus freaks gone? I miss the spats they cause. Any one feel the need to bash Christians? Need to proclaim the truth?
Have a blessed day.

Saturday, September 15, 2007, 2:09 PM

2:09 Way to pick a fight. Do you have nothing better to do with your time? Get a hobby.

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