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Fresh Start Cleanse Q/A Session

From September, 2012

September 22nd, 2012

With Jackie Wicks and JJ Virgin

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Fresh Start Cleanse Q and A, September 18th, 2012

Jackie: We will get started. Welcome to the live Q and A. I'm here with JJ, and of course you have been inundating us with emails asking about how she's doing. She'll be providing a very brief update before we begin with the questions. A lot of you couldn't make the live phone call, obviously, so we have those questions submitted and we will be answering some of those. If you are on the live call, I will introduce Natasha, who will tell you exactly how to ask a call live. So JJ, welcome. We've all been thinking about you. Obviously, we're very happy to have you here.

JJ: Thank you. Here's [coughs] excuse me, where things are right now, so you'll understand if I fade off and lose my train of thought. Last Monday night...Today's Tuesday, yes...A week ago Monday night my son went out for a walk and he was hit by a car. No one saw the actual hit. It was in a 40 mile an hour zone and everyone thinks that was probably how fast she was going, if not faster. She got out of her car, hit...Someone heard the impact and screech. She apparently got out of her car, looked, gasped, and then got back in her car and left. That will remain to me the most shocking thing ever.

Everybody's like, "Go get her?" Truthfully, there's rewards and everything else. I just can't even put my energy there and I also have a real strong faith in that what the universe has in store for her is far worse than what the police would have in store for her. I'm not even...That's so not my focus.

Thankfully, someone heard it. It was right outside of a church and a school which begs the question why it was a 40 mile an hour zone right near our house. The paramedics came immediately. They were there within five minutes, and they air lifted him from the scene.

Apparently one of the injuries, he has multiple, but one of the injuries which was a tear to his aorta leaving it like an onion skin. 90 percent of people who have that injury die at the scene. He was airlifted to Desert. My ex-husband and my other son were driving right up there right after that and stopped to find out what happened.

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JJ (continuing): The police officer looked at Bryce and said, "He looks like you." They came running to get me and we went over there. Thankfully, I mean there were so many things that happened that had to happen for him to be where he is now. It's just like one miracle after the next. I mean, just from someone being around in the very first place.

I'm not even looking at the what-ifs of he hadn't been there because he was. Anyway, we called Desert as we were driving over. My ex-husband's sister-in-law heads up a trauma center, so we had her on the phone as well. When we got there, the doctors there were interesting to say the least.

They told us that if they fixed the aorta his brain would bleed out and he would be brain dead, but if they didn't fix the aorta it would burst and he would die. When we said, "All right, so either way he's going to die here?" They said, "Yes." "What are the options?"

"Well we could airlift him somewhere, but he would probably die in the airlift. If he doesn't die in the airlift he'll die in surgery." "But he totally dies here, 100 percent?" "Yes." I'm like, "Why are we standing here?"

We got him airlifted to Harbor-UCLA, and the minute we got there and walked in the door, they were like, "We got this." They had a trauma team. They had an orthopedics team. They had a neurosurgery team, all there immediately, and a vascular guy who saved his life. The vascular guy is one of the few in the country that does this procedure without blood thinner, saved Grant's life.

Now we have this neuro team, we've got a psych team, a neurology team, a neurosurgery team, an ortho team, a critical care team, the endo-cardio team, and the trauma team, all that manage him and that come through every day and do rounds. It's pretty amazing.

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JJ (continuing): He is up in the pediatric ICU. He had two rods put into his femur. His left heel just is completely fractured, so they're going to have to continue work on that. His right tibia fibula, which is your leg bone, is fractured, but they couldn't fix that yet.

His wrist is fractured, they couldn't fix that yet. His elbow is broken. His head of his humerus is broken. He's got two fractures in his spine, but those apparently are going to be OK. Spine, fractures in his skull, those will be OK.

They told me once he went through this surgery, they didn't know if he'd ever wake up. Then he squeezed my hand and moved it, and opened his eyes. It's one of those things where...We have a really amazing doctor now who heads up PICU. She was like, "He's totally going to be fine through all this." All of the team were like...

Jackie: Wow.

JJ: "We get this. We see this." He's literally on a breathing machine. There are so many IVs and all this stuff coming out of him, it's unbelievable. I did get the neurosurgeon to shave his head. It's like, "While you're at it, can we get this long hair off?" I mentioned something about it around him, and I saw his eyes blinking away, so he knows what's going on. [laughter]

JJ: Yeah, he totally knows what's going on. Today we're reducing sedation because they have to see where his brain is at. They think he'll be there another month. Then, probably we'll end up somewhere for six months where...Basically, he's got a broken arm, all this stuff broken, and then we don't know who's waking up and how much he's going to have to relearn. But the biggest thing they've told us is children's brains, they can go...He had a little stroke. He had all this stuff happening. They're like, "We don't even pay attention so much to it, because you'd be amazed how they get this traumatic brain injury, and then they come through it."

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JJ (continuing): We have been inundated. I am blown away by what has happened since. I've had all this stuff delivered to the hospital. People have been amazing on Facebook, and Twitter, and email, and phone. I finally cleared my voicemail. On texting, just so much help and support and prayers, we've got Bhutan monks, some big group in India, another one in Africa, and some in Italy, all over.

Like, "Great." I've had healings through the phone where I'm holding onto him. An MD from Cedars walked in with essential oils to use. I've had a couple of energy healers show up at the hospital and just work on him. It's been quite amazing. There's so much energy coming off him. [laughs] For days he's been fighting sedation, they're like, "We can't keep him down."

Jackie: Wow.

JJ: I totally believe he is going to be better than he went in as, and that is what I'm going with. I've always been very intuitive with my son. I knew I was pregnant the morning he was conceived. I knew it was a boy, I knew he was there. There was a time when I felt like he was gone during all this, and I swear my other son talked him back through the tunnel. My other son is just a warrior too. To walk in, when you see your brother, and he's got bones sticking out of his skin, and his whole head is...It was what someone looks like when a car going 40 miles an hour without braking looks like when they hit somebody. It's pretty incredible.

This one guy at Harbor who did the special surgery absolutely saved his life. He's like, "I'm just a plumber." When I walked in the first morning, he's like, "I got this. You don't even need to worry. I do these all the time. I can totally do this, I'm fine. We're good, it's all good. Got it." I was like, "OK."

Jackie: What a difference from the Desert.

JJ: Well, I will tell you from the Desert, and I'm going to go have a talk with them. I think that person has lost their passion, because there were alternatives. The day that you stop fighting for lives, and you head up the trauma unit, is the day you need to retire. In anything we do, the day you lose your passion, the day you're not excited about what you do, you need to stop. You need to stop. You're not serving people. Had I been any other person, my son would not have made it.

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Jackie: Any other person...That's what I kept saying every day, I know. I kept saying that every day that if it wasn't you, and you know how to navigate certain systems, in addition, you have the knowledge and the access to ask the right questions, and so many people don't have that.

JJ: Honestly, if you hadn't known, he would have been gone. That's honestly what really, God, really bothers me immensely, because it wouldn't have to be that way. I just try to figure out, down the road, I'm going to have to do something about that, because that just can't be. It can't be.

Jackie: [sighs] Oh, well. I'm just so happy that you are his mom, and I'm so happy that everybody has come forth in the community and just that outpouring...

JJ: It's amazing. I truly believe he's where he is purely because of all the positive energy coming at him. There's so much positive energy. Houman's mother, Houma, brought me her Saint Jude statue. People, just what they've been doing, I'm like you're kidding me. It's just amazing. Very incredible. That's the story. I think the takeaways for everybody are do not ever give up. My feeling was we've got to fly him, I want to know that I exhausted every option, every option. Never accept no. I never have, never will, [laughs] never. That's been the big takeaway.

Then, ask for help. Oh my gosh. It's amazing how many people have just supported us. I just am blown away by it. It's incredible. We couldn't have done it without everybody and the support.

I haven't been able to respond to people so much, because it's just been insane. But, you get on Facebook and see all this and it's like, "Oh my gosh." It's just incredible.

Jackie: Yeah, absolutely.

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JJ: It's incredible. It's so much appreciated. So, anyway. That is the lowdown on it. That means we need to keep praying. [laughs] Big.

Jackie: Everyone on the Cleanse team has definitely been sending in their thoughts and their different wishes. There is just massive positive energy coming your way too. I know some of you are actually live on the call. I just wanted to introduce Natasha so that she can tell you how to ask a question, if you have not currently...if you didn't previously submit it. Natasha.

Natasha: All right. If you would like to ask a question, please press star zero on your telephone now.

Jackie: You know what we'll do JJ? We'll just go through the first question. I'm sure people have live questions, but we'll just go through the first one and then answer the live callers.

JJ: OK. The first one..."you talk a lot about pooping," because I found this a little confusing. "You talk a lot about pooping and increasing magnesium to accomplish this. But you also suggest that it should be something that you are proud of." Well, you want to have good, substantial poops. My kidding is always poops you should be proud of. Don't be proud of the rabbit pellets. "Increasing magnesium causes a very loose stool for me. I already eat six to ten cups of greens per day, which should provide the fiber necessary to push through, but it doesn't. What is the trade-off between the use of magnesium to hasten elimination and reducing it to thicken the poop so that elimination is complete?"

There is a lot of misconception here. That's why I read this question. I went, "Oh, oh." OK. What is a good poop? A poop is where you sit down and it's not rushing out of you, but you're not struggling. It's a good color. It's well formed. The deal is six to ten cups of greens and salads per day gives you six to ten grams of fiber.

The idea that we are getting a ton of fiber from non-starchy vegetables is totally a myth, unfortunately. A cup of broccoli, two and a half grams. Those are high-fiber, relative to their calories. But most people are not going to sit down and eat 50 cups of salad greens. Ideally, we want to move you up to 50 grams of fiber.

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JJ (continuing): That's why I have people do supplemental fiber, because non-starchy vegetables, if you are really, really kicking it with your non-starchy vegetables, you might get 10 grams. We want to have you getting somewhere in the...ideally I really want 50. 30 or 35 is the minimum. Some things that are amazing with fiber?

Half a cup of lentils is 17 grams. A cup of raspberries is eight grams. An ounce of almonds is three and a half grams. Two tablespoons of placa seeds are four grams. I think you see the difference in nuts and seeds and berries and apples and legumes versus salad greens. OK. That's the first thing.

That's not enough fiber, number one. Number two, we use vitamin C and magnesium, if you are constipated and struggling to help loosen stools. If that makes your stool too loose, then that's not something you need to do. It sounds like here it's not a matter of your stools not being loose enough. It's that you don't have enough volume. Probably you are not getting enough fiber in your diet.

I love supplemental fiber. That's where Medibulk comes in. Freshly ground flax seed meal and chia seeds. Those are the things we include. Then, of course, an apple or berries and lentils, legumes, things like that. Especially in the second phase of the cleanse, where we give you the option to reduce your starchy carbs, that is where supplemental fiber and seeds can really come into play.

The other thing that you can also put in here is a probiotic, because those can really help normalize things, either using Permaclear, which has a blend of probiotics, or Floramen Prime. I would probably start with Floramen Prime as a probiotic to help as well. That's what I would do there.

The next question is a similar question that talks about incomplete elimination. This person has had a problem with incomplete elimination, since she had a C-section 26 years ago. She hasn't found any good solutions. She had the best result on Dr. Fuhrman's diet.

But it was never a total solution. I'm not sure if she was just getting more fiber there. If you're not getting the fiber you need, you are doing something...you're not following the instructions correctly on this program, because this is a high-fiber diet. Add in Medibulk.

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Jackie: Especially the shake alone with the Medibulk and the berries, our best recipe, is just great.

JJ: Yes. If you throw in the chia and extra care with spinach. Just the berries and the spinach and the chia and the Medibulk, you should be at about 15 or 20 grams right there. That's why it's like this is not a low fiber diet. [laughs] This is like a kick it, kick it. Everyone is like, "Oh my gosh. You are the fiber Queen." But it is really high-fiber. As far as complete elimination, I don't know if they did something. My sense is, with that surgery, [beep] you've got something mechanical going on that they have done. That's something I don't know that we can ever push through.

If you have never been able to resolve it since that surgery, I think it's probably more mechanical. That's not one I can do anything about. I would almost say go try, and I really ever recommend this, but maybe you need to stimulate peristalsis and go and try some colonics. I'm a big baby and have never tried them, because they scare me.

Jackie: Me too.

JJ: Yeah. Scary. But, that is the only thing I could think of, short of going back to the doctor and having them scan you and see what the heck's going on, which you probably don't want to do. A little colonic for you wouldn't be the worst thing, just to check things out. Sometimes it can stimulate, so I rarely recommend it. But every once in a while, it can get things moving again. OK, Georgia...

Jackie: OK...Really quickly, I just want to see if anybody live is waiting to ask a question. Natasha, do we have anyone on the line that wants to ask?

Natasha: Yes, we do. Our first caller is Pat. Pat, please go ahead.

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Pat: Hi. First of all, JJ, my heart goes out to you and your family.

JJ: Thank you. I appreciate it.

Pat: It's hard to even say it, without choking up.

JJ: I know. I know. I'm better now. But literally I cried for an entire day and then I got a hit from somebody, "Your son is really worried about you." It was a psychic. I was like, "Oh, oh. OK. I'm going to be tough." Yeah. I know. It's one of those things, I never even go to movies where kids get hurt. I can't. It was the thing I never wanted in my consciousness.

Pat: Yeah, me too. Yeah. I saw a Ingmar Bergman film years ago and I had to wipe that out of my mind, because that one involved an injury to a child. But anyway, I'm sending positive energy your way too. My questions are around the vegetarian options. On the eating plan that was included with the program, you have the plate approach with the highly concentrated lean protein. But for a vegetarian, a vegan, most of the proteins are a combination of proteins, starch and you just gave the example of a half a cup of lentils being 17 grams. But lentils wouldn't actually even be a part of that plate for our week two, would they? Because...

JJ: Well, vegetarians and vegans, can't do...they have to just stick on week one. You can't go low carb. You can't take starchy carbs out. That's the thing. If you're a vegan, you can't be low, low, low, you know? [laughs]

Pat: Right.

JJ: It's like someone saying, "Well, I can't be 10 percent this, 10 percent this, 10 percent..." You're going to have to just stick with...You have to make concessions if that's the diet you're going to be on.

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Pat: I was hoping that was your answer, because... [laughs]

JJ: OK, good. Good. I'm glad...

Pat: ...yeah, because today I had quinoa which wouldn't be a part of week two normally, but it's a good source of complete protein for me.

JJ: Well, it's not complete protein. But it is...Quinoa is one of my...because I'm not a big grain fan and I know we had another question with someone, so I love quinoa. Like, quinoa and lentils to me are the two rock stars of anything you're going to do in the starchy carb category. Those would be the ones I'd focus on.

Pat: OK. Well, I mix black beans in with the quinoa...

JJ: OK, good. There you go.

Pat: I made something I call...I'm also writing a cookbook, but it's one of my recipes. It's lemony quinoa, and it has black beans and the quinoa in it. But the other question I have is, I can't figure out where the community is for this. When I got to the community, I get where people initially logged in and sort of gave a little synopsis of themselves. But I can't find any place where there's Q&A or even where questions were posted.

Jackie: It's so active. Are you a part of the Fall Friends Cleanse Team?

Pat: Yes. Fall Friends? It's my first cleanse and I started the one on September 10th.

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Jackie: OK, so when you sign up you get a welcome email. In that welcome email it gives you a link of the community team. You just click on that link and you join. People talk all the time in there. They exchange ideas or give helpful feedback or helpful comments. It's great as there are some people that are alum, so they're able to even answer some of the questions and share some of their experiences in the previous cleanses. Also we're pretty particular about always giving outcleanse@peertrainer.com as the support email people, the whole team answers very quickly and they'll absolutely help you to solve anything that you need.

I hope that you did get those communications, and we can certainly direct you to the team again so you can see where everyone is sharing all the ideas.

Pat: That would be great if you could, Jackie, because I actually sent a question in and somebody replied back and it gave me the same link and again it takes me to that page where it has everybody's initial description of who they are, their age, what their goals are. But I don't get to any kind of sharing or dialogue page.

Jackie: It's right when you log in, so that's why I'm a little bit confused as to where you are. I'm a bit confused, but that's OK because the team can help you. If you send an email to cleanse@peertrainer.comand you explain, given them your username so they can log in as you, so they can see what you're seeing, maybe they can walk you through getting to the dialogue and the exchange.

Pat: OK, sounds good. I won't waste anymore of the team's time with that question, but JJ yesterday on the beginning of week two when you were talking about the shakes you said there were probably four in the market that you thought met the requirements from a nutritional profile aspect or an amino acid profile concept, but two of them you didn't like the taste of, two you did. Was Sunwarrior one of the ones that you evaluated?

JJ: I don't like the taste of it.

Pat: OK, OK. But it met the profile?

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JJ: [laughs] I tried it and I'm thinking it did, but I'm not 100 percent because someone gave me a big thing of it and I'm like, ugh. I'm thinking it did but I can't tell you 100 percent.

Pat: Well, when I lined up the amino acid profiles on that one, because I also have the Thorn, they look the same. But I actually like the taste of Sunwarrior better. That's why I asked.

JJ: God Bless, bless you!

Pat: [laughs]

JJ: [coughs] I think that one was fine. The big thing is it's not just that. Remember there's actually a handout of what to look for in a shake. The big thing I see with most of them out there is they have maltodextrin or they have artificial sweeteners. I know that one didn't. They just put some crap in there. People have no idea what they're getting. That's the bigger issue with it.

Pat: OK, thank you very much.

JJ: OK.

Jackie: Thanks Pat. Natasha, do we have another live caller, or should we go to the previously submitted questions?

Natasha: We have another live caller if you'd like to take that.

Jackie: Great.

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Natasha: All right, our next caller is Gabrielle. Gabrielle, please go ahead.

Gabrielle: Thank you. JJ, like the previous caller I just want to say that my thoughts go out to you and your family because it's heartbreaking to hear what happened to your son. I have four kids myself and I can't even imagine...

JJ: Yeah, don't imagine. This is what I kept thinking as I kept going through it. This is one no one should ever, ever, ever have to go through.

Gabrielle: Yes, never, ever. I'm sending you lots of love and lots of positive thoughts to you and your son. What I want to say is that I want to thank you for this program because I feel amazing on it. I've lost seven pounds, and I'm very, very happy.

Jackie: Wow! Congratulations.

Gabrielle: Thank you. I am over 230 pounds. I've had four kids, and every pregnancy I've gained lots of weight and haven't managed to lose it. My question is one, can I do this long-term? Is there any detriment to doing it, because I've found that I am full. I've stuck with it, I haven't deviated from the plan whatsoever, and I find myself not being hungry. My cravings have gone away, my energy is better. I'm very clear-headed. My caffeine need is gone.

JJ: So should I go back feeling crappy eating the other stuff or can I keep feeling good? [laughter]

Gabrielle: I want to keep doing it, but I don't want it to be, am I going to hit a plateau or is there going to be something detrimental to me that says you can't do this long-term?

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JJ: No, this is how I live. It's just when you tell people, "Hey you're never going to eat dairy and gluten again," they have a hissy fit. Honestly, if I had my way, gluten would be off the market, soy would be off the market, unless it was really, really, really, really fermented and organic and rare. Dairy would be raw and fermented and limited, and corn and peanuts would be history. An artificial sweeteners for sure. They're Satan. You know, so this is really, ideally how people eat. What I love about the cleanse is you take a couple weeks and people go, oh my gosh. They start to connect the dots between what they eat and how they feel.

People come in because they want to lose weight and they want to get cleansed, but then they stay in because they go, "Oh, wow." So many of the things we just got used to. "Oh, I must just not be able to think straight because I'm exhausted from taking care of all of these kids."

I will tell you, it was interesting. When this whole thing happened, one of my friends said, "Oh, just go eat a pizza." I'm like, "go eat a pizza?" I'm doing everything I can to handle all this stress, and the last thing I need to do is go trash my...Because my gut immediately started to...Actually, everything hurt because my son got hit by a car and I started feeling like I had to.

But I really think that the reason I've been able to handle this is because of the way I eat and sleep and exercise. It's absolutely, I'd love for everybody to eat this way for the long-term. It's just if you tell someone that at the beginning, they'll like, freak out on you. [laughs]

Jackie: Yeah, they feel like they can't do it. They just feel like there's no way. Why even start, because that's not how I could live.

JJ: Yeah. We talk in the later class about what you can do and the three-bite rule and all that. But ideally, the majority of how you eat is this way, and then little things sneak in.

Gabrielle: Right, OK. Thank you. My other one, last specific question is to LÃ„RABARs. I've been using a LÃ„RABAR as my snack in the afternoon. Is that a good option, and if it is, is there one better than the other? Because the sugar content is high in some of them.

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JJ: Yeah, I was going to say, they're candy bars last I checked. I just pulled them up online to go, "Did they fix these things, or are they still candy bars?" Because when I looked, they had too much candy in them, too much sugar in them.

Jackie: Yeah, they seem to be too high in sugar.

JJ: Which one are you having?

Gabrielle: I've tried the apple pie and the cashew cookie.

JJ: You know, if it says cookie, I'm just always suspicious. Just to pull it up, just so you know, it's got 24 grams of carbs and 18 grams of sugar. OK, do we need to really...? Yeah.

Gabrielle: No you don't, that's why I'm asking.

JJ: [laughs] Do we need to talk about this, or are we clear? Nope. Yeah, that would be a no. There's this site called YouBar, or it's YouBars. I don't remember if it's YouBar or YouBars. Y-O-U-B-A-R, or B-A-R-S. It's expensive. I'm not going to say it's not, but I create my own bars there.

Gabrielle: Oh, I've heard about them. OK, I'll check them out.

JJ: It's very cool. The big thing I tell you is figure out which one you like and then order a bunch at once, because I've made the virgin bar. I've been messing around. But I love them, and you can totally control the sugar and all that stuff. I've not found a commercial bar out there that I could recommend.

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Gabrielle: OK, good. The sugar content shouldn't be higher than how many grams?

JJ: I mean, really five. 10 at the most. 10 would be your absolutely limit. I mean, how about an apple and nuts?

Gabrielle: Yeah, definitely I could do that.

JJ: Well then...Right? Because I'm looking at it and it's showing the apple and almonds in the picture. I'm like, well just eat the apple and the almonds.

Jackie: Sometimes I get those turkey sticks. I carry different things in my purse for if I'm caught, if I'm stuck at a place.

JJ: We have a list of all sorts of ideas, don't we?

Jackie: Yeah, I'll have...

JJ: Hummus and celery sticks. By the way, Greek Salon, so delicious, just came out with a plain. First, their old coconut Greek-style yogurt was really quite disgusting to be honest with you. It was like, ew.

Jackie: That was the worst.

JJ: It was the worst. Hey, the new stuff's amazing. The plain is delicious. You can get the plain Greek-style yogurt. That's an easy snack. I think most of these bars are candy bars. You would never buy a Snickers I'm thinking, right?

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Gabrielle: No, right.

JJ: Just visualize Snickers when you're picking that up, or a cookie. If it says cookie, it's a cookie.

Gabrielle: It's a cookie, OK. Thank you.

JJ: [laughs] Sorry.

Gabrielle: No, that's OK.

Jackie: OK, Natasha, do we have another live caller or are we going to the previously submitted questions?

Natasha: We do not have another live caller at this time.

Jackie: Great, OK. We'll go to the next one. Why do you include meats in the cleanse when beef can be as allergenic as dairy products? That include grass-fed beef, even though it should be slightly less reactive.

JJ: I'm not sure where this person's getting that information because I've looked at, gosh, hundreds of hundreds of food reaction tests, and that's never what I've seen. Nor have any of my colleagues. In fact, in most elimination diets, grass-fed beef's included for that reason, because it's not reactive. I'm not sure where that information came from. I'd want to see where that information's come from because I know personally I've looked at so many tests now. But moreover, all my friends are healthcare people, so we all share, we don't keep things secret. Pretty much everybody's on the same page with that.

Shellfish, yes...Shellfish can be more allergenic. But even that, I so rarely saw it on an IGD test. The most highly reactive things that I know of, I've looked at tons of these tests, dairy and eggs hands down, and gluten.

Different type of reaction were the tops. Then corn and soy and peanuts. I mean, it's just the things we see over and over and over and over.

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Jackie: Yes, to this person who asked that, if you want to elaborate...

JJ: Ask for citations.

Jackie: ..or cite where more information is...

JJ: Yeah, just give us the citations so that we would know what we're responding to. Then I'm totally happy to respond to it. But I'm not sure where that's coming from, but would love to know because then we can respond.

Jackie: You can email that right to cleanse@peertrainer.com. OK, so next question. Why is tamari on the staples list since it's soy sauce?

JJ: That's a boo-boo.

Jackie: Yeah, it's not soy sauce. Well, some...

JJ: Yeah, tamari's a soy sauce. It shouldn't be on there. There's gluten free you can use...

Jackie: There's gluten free tamari too.

JJ: Yeah, but it's still soy sauce. It shouldn't be on there.

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Jackie: Yes, OK.

JJ: It's a boo-boo, pull it off.

Jackie: Let's make sure that that's not on there if it's on there. The next question, what is the best way to get rid of muffin top?

JJ: How much time do we have now? OK, so this is a lot of questions. Obviously this is really, how do we get rid of fat? You can't get rid of fat in just one spot, so how do I lost the fat around my waist? Obviously controlling cortisol and insulin are huge. If you're someone who's a stress monster, I will tell you I had Thorne overnight, Relora Plus and GABA to me immediately when this whole thing happened, because my blood sugar went crazy, my stomach bloated up. It was immediate. Immediate.

Jackie: What do you think about...You also recommended B complex with that. Is that still something...

JJ: Well, B and C...any kind of stress...the other thing I went and grabbed a bunch of Emergen-C Lite. [laughs] When you're under stress, vitamin C can lower cortisol, and you're going to blow out your B vitamins. That's just step one that you have to do. Again, I think the reason I'm handling what I'm handling is because I've been getting a lot of kale. Oh my gosh, I've had so much kale delivery these nurses are like, what do you do? Why are all these people brining kale? But it's been taking me supplements. First thing is remember, stress is going to lay down fat around the waistline and raise the set point for burning it off.

Insulin, if you're insulin-resistant, [beep] that will create a problem too. But then just overall weight loss, everything you're doing here is going to help with that. Then of course incorporating exercise, making sure that your thyroid's functioning well, getting good sleep, managing stress, making sure that you've god good sex hormone balance, continuing to detoxify daily, handling any other kind of gut dysbiosis like small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or Candida. I am missing one...

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Jackie: That's a list, though. Yeah, that was a good list.

JJ: OK, good. There it is. That's it.

Jackie: The next question, is it OK to drink sparkling water?

JJ: Yes, just don't go downing loads of water with your food. But try to stick with eight ounces with food, and then the rest 60 minutes after you eat or up to 30 minutes before.

Jackie: Don't buy that flavored sparkling water. Just squeeze some grapefruit or some lemon or...

JJ: Well don't by that flavored sparkling water...Glass bottles, OK? I had someone bring me some sparkling water, so I've got Italian mineral water from Whole Foods in glass bottles. Glass bottles, not plastic. Yeah, none of that garbage stuff with fake sweeteners and things in it.

Jackie: Even sometimes they just say natural flavors, and that can really disguise a lot of things. Really just stick with the plain sparkling water and add your own, whether lemon...Grapefruit is one of my favorites, squeezing fresh grapefruits in there. Next question. I'm wondering about taking additional supplements, vitamins, or herbs during the cleanse. I'm doing the phase three detox pack. I'm guessing those are the detox nutrient packs. Is there anything that would interfere with the detox nutrients we're taking for this process?

JJ: No. I mean, the big thing you want to make sure of is that you're taking high quality, professional-grade supplements and not stuff with garbage in it. As long as you are, then it's all fine. I stay on...Well, you've seen me. You know my Dixie cup... [laughs]

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Jackie: Yeah, and I love that ritual. I do the same thing, and I start at the beginning of the day with all of my pills in that bowl... [crosstalk]

JJ: Yep, I'm sitting with mine right now.

Jackie: ...bowl.

JJ: Right now I'm taking extra Relora.

Jackie: Me too actually. I have been stressed just going through this.

JJ: Stressed out from [indecipherable 37:24] .

Jackie: A little bit. I definitely have that Relora just out front and center. I have all these different bottles of things, and I have that B/C Relora right there. Next question. Once one is off the cleanse and incorporating food for lunch and dinner, sticking with the protein drink for breakfast, what is better if one wants to continue to lost weight, beans or lean meats?

JJ: Simple, that one's a simple one. Lean meats by far. By far. Way more thermogenic.

Jackie: OK, that was straightforward.

JJ: Yeah, straightforward. That's an easy one, gimme. [laughs]

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Jackie: Yeah. Next question. If one is not cleansing the body during the day as often as JJ suggests, even when taking the fiber supplements twice and day and the shake and eating lots of grains at dinner, what else do you suggest?

JJ: I totally don't...What the heck. I was like, huh? JJ suggest...Because I don't know what the heck she's talking about.

Jackie: I think that also class two really covers this a lot, where you are talking...

JJ: First of all, we have...

Jackie: ...of all the different...

JJ: We also have this weird thing with cleansing. [laughs] Detoxification is a continuum. Everything that we do...Your health is a continuum too. You're never going to be done with this. There's always something more you can do. If you're eating more fiber, that's more detoxifying, that's cleansing. If you're drinking more water, that's cleansing. If you're eating more greens and drinking a green drink, that's cleansing. If you're eating raw garlic, that's cleansing. If you've got green plants around your house, that's cleansing. If you're drinking pure spring water, that's cleansing.

If you're dry brushing, that's cleansing. If you're soaking in Epsom salts or Himalayan sea salts or baking soda, that's cleansing. If you're getting lymphatic drainage massage, that's cleansing. If you're getting in a sauna, especially a [indecipherable 39:19] sauna, that's cleaning. If you're exercising, that's cleansing. Or sweating in any way.

I hope you're getting the idea that really...Oh, if you're eating and digesting clean, lean protein because that's what you need to pull out the toxins, got to have amino acids. If you're eating antioxidant-rich organic fruits and vegetables. If you're taking things that are good liver support.

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JJ (continuing): What I'm trying to really get at is there's so many behaviors that really support good health, good detoxification, and you just want to incorporate as many as possible. When you look at the biggest health issues we've got going...Well, autoimmune is the biggest disease we have out there, which makes me say, "Would everyone please stop eating gluten."

Because it's at the root of it. I really believe stress and toxicity are just huge. Then we can get into the stress of all the electromagnetic fields and the air and the out gassing of...Just everything. Anything that you can do is great. It's not like you're cleansing this hour or not cleansing the next hour. [laughs]

Jackie: I think that's a great point. It's a layered approach. It's all these different habits that you're going to start incorporating that are all going to start adding up and really changing the way that your body is currently working and doing things. Natasha, do we have another live caller? I just don't want to keep anyone waiting before we go onto the next question.

Natasha: Yes we do. It's another question from Pat. Pat, please go ahead.

Pat: Hi, I just wanted to add something on when you took the soy sauce off the list even though those of us who are celiac know that tamari doesn't have wheat in it. The best substitute that I found for a fermented product, to import that fermented flavor, is the coconut aminos.

JJ: Yeah, aren't they awesome?

Pat: Yeah, so I just wanted to mention that, because whoever asked that question probably cares about soy sauce. But coconut aminos are so incredibly good, and you can get fermented paste with kimchi or some other things. But the coconut aminos are awesome.

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JJ: Good point. Put that one on. Make sure that's on. A good research for all this too, by the way, is I've got to give a shout out to my girlfriend Donna Gates who wrote "The Body Ecology Diet" who sends me this email, offers to have me come stay at her house and have her chef take care of me.

Jackie: Aww!

JJ: I know! [laughs] This is the kind of stuff Steven Sinatra sent his healer. The stuff that people have been doing, I'm like, whoa! The whole Institute for Functional Medicine did prayers before their meetings. It's like, really? It's really quite stunning.

Jackie: Pat, thank you for that suggestion because It's funny. I switched to Braggs for a little while and then I just decided I didn't want any of it. Now I just use lemon, which is really not a good substitute.

JJ: Well Braggs has soy sauce in it.

Pat: Right, Braggs has soy, yeah.

Jackie: Oh, I didn't realize Braggs was soy.

JJ: Yeah, but for a lot of people once they're through this, soy sauce is not really the issue and they can do wheat-free tamari. But coconut aminos are a better...There's no issue at all. They're just a flat out better choice.

Jackie: Thank you so much for that suggestion.

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JJ: When you're getting coconut aminos, get coconut flour too while you're at it.

Jackie: OK, thanks again. That's so good, and I'm going to pick that up. I've never tried them.

Pat: You'll get hooked. It's awesome.

Jackie: OK. Natasha, do we have another caller or are we going back to the questions?

Natasha: We have another live caller, and it's another question from Gabrielle. Gabrielle, please go ahead.

Gabrielle: Thank you. My question is you mentioned Relora Plus. Can you just speak more to that about, and the benefits for weight loss?

JJ: Ooh, yes. Of course, I didn't immediately think about this, but like a day into this I'm going, oh my God, my stomach's killing me and I feel so bloated and being stressed. Stress is a massive risk factor for obesity because when you're stressed, you raise cortisol, you raise blood sugar. I could feel, I was trying to work out. My blood sugar was so unstable. Which makes you then raise insulin. Higher cortisol makes you store more fat around your waistline, raises the set point for being able burn it off. Higher cortisol lowers serotonin. You're going to crave more sugar.

It's going to impact your sleep. You don't sleep well, then your ghrelin is higher, you're hungrier, you're more insulin and leptin resistant. You're hungrier, you can't burn fat off as well. It also starts to screw up your sex hormones.

You will have lower testosterone, you can't build muscle as well. It also lowers your hydrochloric acid, you can't digest your protein as well. It's just is like this hole, which means you're not going to be able to detoxify well. It's just starts such a bad thing.

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JJ (continuing): Relora Plus is amazing for just stress support. I'm trying to remember what they first started using it for. But they started to realize, wow, this is really helping with stress-induced eating. [laughs] Because it's supporting stress, lowering stress hormones and supporting your body being able to handle stress. That's why we keep talking about Relora Plus.

Stress is huge in weight loss. Managing stress and getting good sleep are two of the key factors in long-term weight loss and weight management. In fact, independently if you're not getting good sleep, even if you're eating well and exercising, you're at a higher risk for obesity. That's because it's a source of stress on your body.

Gabrielle: I think I'll go get myself some.

JJ: [laughs] Get some.

Jackie: Yeah, I take Relora every day. It was when JJ started talking about the stress support pack. When we were discussing this, we said, "Who is not stressed out?" [laughs] I don't know one person who doesn't have some sort of overwhelm in their life. I take that combination pack that she recommended which was the vitamin C with flavonoids. I believe B complex five and the Relora Plus, and it's just a fantastic package JJ, if I may say. [doorbell in background] Do we have another live caller?

Natasha: We do not have another live one at this time.

Jackie: OK. We'll go to...I love this next question. Do you ever have a latte with fat free milk? Piece of cheese, bread, et cetera. [crosstalk]

JJ: No, I'm perfect!

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Jackie: [laughs] Yeah, exactly. You never yell, we all never...

JJ: I am Miss Perfect. Actually, you know, it's funny. "Do you ever have a latte, pizza, cheese, bread, et cetera? I can give it up for two weeks and certainly cut it down significantly, but I can't imagine giving it up all together forever." I really have cut it out all together over time. That's why we don't tell people, hey, you're going to go on this for the rest of your life. We just say, "Let's start with two weeks."

When I initially gave these things up, I still would have things here and there. But honestly, the longer I'm away from them, the less tempted I ever am. I never have cravings. I used to have such bad cravings for things, Jackie. I used to be like, frozen yogurt...

Jackie: I can't imagine that.

JJ: Oh, my gosh! Frozen yogurt, sour dough bread and bagels and bialys.

Jackie: I'm with you and I can't imagine that because you really don't...You don't look at something in Starbucks and say, "Oh, I wish I could have that!"

JJ: No, not remotely.

Jackie: It's as if it's not even there.

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JJ: But I used to. When I used to eat them, I did. Horrible cravings for things where I would fixate on it and go, gosh, when am I going to be able to go get that? When I don't eat them, it's just a non issue and I like that freedom. If I eat dairy, I break out, so that's not worth it, and my voice goes. If I eat gluten my fingers swell, so that's not worth it. The only soy I'll ever do is soy sauce if I'm out at a Japanese restaurant. I'll get a little soy and gluten there. But it's so rare, and usually I'll have my own.

I just don't eat that way. It's so funny because...I've been at the hospital, and there's just been a steady stream of people. I've not been responding to any voicemails or...I just have been at the hospital, and just a stream of people have been coming in bringing food.

That's why they keep bringing kale. But they've all brought the food they know that I eat It just shows that it can be done. These are people that don't necessarily follow my program, but they went and got all stuff that they knew that I could eat, because it's not that hard.

The last thing I thought about here, because my friend goes, gosh, just take care of yourself right now and go have a pizza. I'm like, huh? I would tell you that [beep] the longer you're away from this stuff, the less you want it. It just isn't even that big of a deal.

I was out in Portland at an event and they had this gluten free Kenwood dark chocolate cake thing which you have to try just for research purposes. But it was like, eh, I don't know. It didn't even...I don't know. It wasn't even that great. It wasn't that it wasn't great, it was just like...you just get over it.

Isn't that great to not be totally driven by food? I used to sit there, and if I didn't have my Americana with foam I was like, freaked out and I would crave all these things. I love not really caring. Just going, OK, what can we get for lunch and it's not have to be this thing.

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Jackie: I love not feeling tired after I eat. I love that my food gives me energy, because I feel like I have a lot to do. Especially after lunch, I used to just want a nap or just want to hang out, or I would lose my focus and concentration. Eating this way just gives me a real clarity and real focus. When you start to see the benefit of that, you don't really dwell on, oh, can I never have that again? It is two weeks.

A lot of people can go back to having Greek yogurt if they want it, or they start to do things. But you realize that certain things have consequences. I never knew that eggs gave me pimples until I did the cleanse. Remember that, JJ?

JJ: Yeah.

Jackie: "Eggs are not a problem for me, what are you talking about?" [laughs] I think your focus really starts to shift as well.

JJ: Yes. All right, so Dominique. "I have only lost three pounds during the cleanse, though my weight has fluctuated considerably every day." I hope, Dominique, you're not taking your weight all throughout the day. "Thus, there have been days when I've lost more in the past seven days than where I am today. I contribute that to salt, however I would have thought with just two shakes a day plus tons of greens at nights, two healthy fats, and lean protein. I haven't even succumbed to the allowed starchy vegetables. I've been working out with weights and every day I've lost more. I'm cheating with additional fruit, however. Could that be what is stopping me from losing weight?"

Someone who is very fluid sensitive, I'm always going to want to know what's going on there. Do you have something going on with aldosterone, insulin, sex hormones? That's an issue that you want to go talk to your doctor about, because any of those things can get in the way of your weight.

Remember, I just talked about sex hormone imbalance, insulin resistance, thyroid issues, stress, and that's cortisol. Cortisol affecting both sleep and stress, toxicity, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, Candida. All things that can get in the way of you losing weight.

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JJ (continuing): What I like to do with people is have them follow something exactly to the T, the way they're supposed to be doing it. Get good sleep. Manage your stress. Eat the way you're supposed to be eating. Exercise the way you're supposed to be exercising.

Because then we can go, OK, we've got everything health constant. What's really going on here? And also remember genetics play a part here, although we always say that genes load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.

But there are people genetically who have a higher index for obesity and will have to just work a lot harder. If you are eating extra fruit, make sure A, it's low glycemic, but two fruits a day because you're just loading in sugar. Yes, that could be part of it.

Make sure you're not doing the same body parts every single day on your resistance training. But let's give you a fighting chance of following it exactly to the T and then see how you do because you kind of pointed it out yourself. If you're eating more fruits and holding on to more water, that could be some of the fluctuation but it shouldn't fluctuate that much. That's the other question I would have unless you've got some stuff going on hormonally.

Jackie: Next question. "I read in one of the week two documents your poop shouldn't float, which would be a sign of fat maldigestion. What does this mean? If this is my problem, what do I need to change in order to avoid this? Please give me more detail on this topic and any solutions that would help this problem."

JJ: Actually there's two things that could happen if your poop is floating. Probably it's more a sign of gut bacterial overgrowth. That's what some of the latest research is showing. If you Google it, it's called small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or SIBO. What you do about that, what I would say if you've got this going on right now, is take plant enzymes because that will help with digestion. Take Permaclear because that's going to help with gut healing. Add Berber caps. I would be taking five Berber caps a day, because that can help kill the gut bacterial overgrowth.

If that doesn't resolve you can always go have a functional medicine doctor, integrative doctor test for small intestine bacterial overgrowth, but look it up, SIBO. Increase things like coconut milk and coconut oil and garlic. Lots of garlic, especially raw garlic, into your food because that helps as well.

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Jackie: We have all those products at shop.peertrainer.com or you can always write our cleanse team and they can direct you to that place. My husband used Permaclear and the other things you were mentioning. He just had tremendous results.

JJ: Permaclear is an amazing, amazing product.

Jackie: Yeah, it's an amazing product. Next question, "I'm so hungry all the time. Can I add non starchy vegetables to the shakes for the first two meals? Is it normal to be hungry?" No it is not...well, it depends. Actually that's the real answer, JJ.

JJ: Yes. [laughs] There are a couple things that could be going on. If you're one of those people who's a hungry person...genetically there's hungry people, by the way. That's where I use that product Apistacin.

Jackie: Do you combine that with Satiacin and Relora?

JJ: I like to use them both. I just like to.

Jackie: OK.

JJ: But I'd also say, if you're making the shake right, man you're full.

Jackie: I don't know how you're hungry. I know.

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JJ: I don't know how you're hungry. Throw vegetables in there. But like today I did mine with coconut milk. I have not missed a day of shakes. I just always have my stuff with me or I get stuff overnighted. [laughs] I'm just like, "Overnight all this stuff."

Jackie: Right.

JJ: But, I had my shake with extra greens and berries and coconut milk and chia and Medibulk. I'm so full, I'm full for hours. I had that at like 6:30 this morning. Then I had lunch at 11:30 when I was talking. That's why I told you I couldn't talk.

Jackie: Right.

JJ: I had a big salad. If I hear that...There's a couple of things that could be going on. You're not getting what you need in the shake, so go back to the recipe. Or you're one of those people who genetically who is just hungrier, and you can always add more water in between meals, that helps and more fiber into your shake, that helps. Because you really shouldn't be hungry.

Jackie: You can add non starchy vegetables. I add kale.

JJ: Oh, yeah. You can have as many non starchy vegetables. Go for it. Are you kidding?

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Jackie: You definitely...Of course. I just wanted to make sure I threw that in, too. Definitely go back and revisit that recipe. Some people, I see they say they're making the shakes and they say, "Well, I didn't really have any of the fiber supplement left. I didn't reorder." There's some things that they're maybe missing from the shakes. Go back to that recipe, as well, and make sure that you're going through that checklist. I do add kale. Also, another good green is Swiss chard. It's a very mild flavor and it goes right in there, as well. Those are two great ones to add to the shake.

JJ: Yeah.

Jackie: Next one. "Hi. I see that for week two we are cutting out the starchy carbohydrates. I always thought that healthy grains, even if you take out gluten, were an important part of your diet. Please elaborate. Thank you."

JJ: I've gotten a Twitter site. This is so the new millennium.

Jackie: That's actually the last thing... [laughs] I heard you...[laughs]

JJ: I know. I was in a Twitter fight with these dieticians who were telling me that I shouldn't be telling people to pull gluten out because they're going to get deficient. I was like, "What are they going to get deficient in?" If you pulled grains out, what would you get deficient in? Lectins, phytates. Every grain has lectins and phytates. Lectins can cause leptin resistance, which can make you hungrier. Phytates can block mineral absorption unless you heavily ferment these things, which is not what we're doing. There are a lot of other places you can get things like B vitamins and minerals. [laughs]

The only thing that you are getting there is fiber, but shoot, we're pushing fiber everywhere else. I would personally love to see people take grains out of their diet altogether.

Jackie: I'd like you to read "Wheat Belly" as well. Sorry, just wanted to make sure that I just threw that in.

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JJ: We let you do things like brown rice and oatmeal, but honestly, I never eat brown rice. I rarely...

Jackie: I never. I don't either.

JJ: Someone brought me sushi the other night, but I order sushi without the rice. I order sashimi. That would be sushi. That would be sashimi. I don't eat grains. The only one I ever eat is quinoa, which really isn't a grain. It's a seed. I think that we'd be way better off without it. So there. There's not one thing in there that we need for survival. Nothing. Zippo. Zilch.

"You mentioned on the week two Monday call to use a safe water bottle. Does this mean only use stainless steel or can we us a nalgene bottle that's BPA free?" Yes, you can. That is fine.

"I keep mentioning a green drink. Is there a recipe to make one of these at home, or is this something you recommend that we buy? If you are in a place where Evolution Fresh is selling stuff, they've got a great green drink.

If you can get a green drink without added beets, apples, and carrots, great. A green drink should be cucumbers and celery and kale and spinach and broccoli. It should be green stuff, and that's what I'm looking for from people. It's ideally fresh.

I had someone pick vegetables from their garden, made a fresh green drink, and brought it to the hospital for me. Unbelievable. I know, I was like, "Oh my gosh."

Jackie: That's amazing.

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JJ: Unbelievable. The Peters, Jean Peter who is amazing. She's got nourishing something cookbook. Anyway, that would be your top thing. If not, if you go to mightymacagreens.com, that's my other favorite dried green drink. I'll throw it into my shakes, so that's another one if you need just one you can get at home. Plus maca is hormone balancing. Someone said, "I appreciate knowing why JJ recommends the vegalight shake because it has so much sodium." OK, so it's naturally occurring sodium from the pea protein. It's actually not a lot of sodium. A lot of sodium is like 1200 mg of sodium. It's under 500. But it is naturally occurring in the pea.

That's where it's coming from, kind of part of the deelio. You might want to look at, vegans and vegetarians, at how much you're getting from things like that because they do have sodium in them naturally. We already added the vegetarian question. "Can we put Crystal Light in our water?" Come on, Medora. Come on.

Jackie: No. I think you're saying the Crystal Light from those commercials on TV. No, no, no, no. Unless there's some other type of Crystal Light, no.

JJ: Oh my gosh, no Crystal Light ever. I would like to start a campaign to never, ever, ever, to just outlaw artificial sweeteners.

Jackie: Completely. I'm onboard.

JJ: OK.

Jackie: Today, tomorrow.

JJ: Outlaw [laughs] .

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Jackie: Also your palate does change. If you really start to put the grapefruit that we were mentioning or lemon or cucumbers, after a little while if you happen to taste Crystal Light just randomly it will not taste good anymore. It will taste like a massive chemical disgusting thing.

JJ: Oh, yeah. It's so gross when you actually taste these things now. Plus it will give you a headache. "How long can you take the detox packets? Daily or just for the two weeks." In the perfect world I would take those detox packets for the rest of my life.

Jackie: I take them every day.

JJ: Which actually I take them every day. I help a lot of doctors create programs. I have one group that's using them as their daily pack. There's not a day that goes by that you're not hit with toxins. You can absolutely stay with them. "I've heard no chips, especially during a cleanse, but is there any chip that is good to have with salsa or guacamole? It's really hard to give up my chips."

Jackie: Carrot chips, cucumber chips. I peel a cucumber.

JJ: When you say carrot chips you're not talking about carrot chips, because they actually have those.

Jackie: No, I'm talking about you can make carrots almost rippled like with, you know...

JJ: Let's talk chips first before we talk vegetables.

Jackie: OK.

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JJ: Obviously, I mean salsa or guacamole, vegetables are perfect for that. Here's the deal with chips, they're trigger foods, which is obvious because you're saying, "It's really hard to give up my chips" because chips are trigger foods. Chips are not healthy. There's no way they're ever healthy. Just because you got a sweet potato chip or a carrot chip as opposed to a white potato chip, it's still been fried. It's high glycemic, and you're not eating five of them. That's the deal.

Jackie: Maybe this will help you. There's a study where they've analyzed potato chip bags. I believe over 60 percent are rancid and old. Just even the thought of that, because you have no idea if your chip bag is fresh or not. It's just really something to stay away from. I will say that my husband had to eliminate wheat and dairy and so many different things. He used to see the potato chip bag and it was like, "Wow, it's potatoes. You can get these olive oil potato chips." He was really into chips for a long time, and I had to come up with different ways with the substitutes with the vegetables.

This is why I tried all different kinds of things to see, "OK, this will stick." One great thing is when you peel a cucumber and then you split it in half and then you scoop out the seeds, and you can make really great dips and even little, I call them cucumber boats, with those things. Those peas, those sugar snap peas, are so good to dip in guacamole. You just really have to experiment and find something that becomes your go to versus the chips right now. Because it's something like [indecipherable 01:04:57] .

JJ: Forever. I mean, the thing is, they're just not something that you want to do. This is just not...

Jackie: Plus you've obviously admitted it's a weakness. Life without chips is tough, yes. [laughs] We've got to come up with a good substitute.

JJ: Yeah. [laughs]

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Jackie: Yeah. Next question, "Can you talk more about rice and pea shakes as well as the other alternatives, for example, vegetables that could be added to a shake?" I think you just mentioned...

JJ: Yeah, I'm not sure....

Jackie: You did mention the other vegetables.

JJ: Come on, add any non starchy vegetables possible. I'm playing around with a couple other shakes. Pea, rice, hemp, and actually there's a potato protein, believe it or not, that looked good. We're always looking. I'm always sniffing around looking at stuff. I'll let you know what I find out.

Jackie: Then, the last question you might want to... "In one of the Cleanse's Q and A's, JJ has recommended getting maybe the food intolerance test done. I did some research. Everything I read, except for from companies offering this test, said that the test was unreliable" and then obviously referenced an article. "Does JJ know of any reliable doctors or labs in the LA area that could do this test? I'm interested in getting it done, but I don't have a lot of money. I know it can be expensive. I just want to make sure that, if I do pay to have it done, I can rely on the results."

JJ: OK. Here is the thing I will tell you about all that. I have found, over time that the single most reliable thing you can do here is take food out and then retest it. That is why I stopped testing. However, there are people who have the outliers. I'll tell you the test I didn't really like was something called the Alkat, because I just found it had so many different things. Here is the deal with IgG testing. There is IgG-1 and IgG-4. You want and IgG-4, not an IgG-1 through four, because the 1's tend to show things that are happening right away, not immediate, like an allergy, like an IgE test, but the 1's start to show something that is starting to coming up and may never be an issue. The four shows a long-term issue.

You want a test that looks at the IgG-4. Metametrix does those. Metametrix is now part of Genova Diagnostics. But, there is some question out there as to total reliability. I'm not going to tell you there's not.

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JJ (continuing): However, I have looked at tons and tons of these tests. I have seen them to be so clinically relevant. If I were going to do any, I would do the Metametrix IgG. I would do the blood spot 30, because what I have seen...there is a 90.

I haven't seen most people need to go that extensively. If you really want to go extensively, that is a blood draw. You need to find a doctor that will do this kind of test. It's not about the doctor being reliable. It's all about the lab being reliable.

It doesn't matter if the doctor is an unreliable doctor, [laughs] the lab is what does it. In LA, Gosh, there are so many doctors in LA. I wish I knew where in LA you are. All my friends are in LA, and they do this kind of testing.

Jackie: I know. She picked the one place that...

JJ: Where in LA, because depending on which street you want to go to, I can tell you which doctor? Really, LA functional medicine doctors, integrative doctors, they're all over the place. The challenge will be...It's not going to be the test that's expensive. The test itself, depending on which way you go, is going to be $150 to $300. It's the doctor visit that's going to be the expensive one for you. I would probably tell you to go to the Hall Center in Venice, and have Dr. Perrin run the test, because she's a GI specialist.

Hall Center Venice, it's in Venice, and Dr. Perrin. Just tell them JJ recommended you and have her run an IgG test on you. I know I've talked to a lot of doctors about what we think in terms of reliability versus non, and IgG4 is the one I will look at. Again, ask them. Say, "I want an IgG4 from Metametrix or Genova Diagnostics," because they just got sold.

That is what I would do if you really feel like it, but again, I think it's the very best test...Here's the other part of this. There are IgG reactions. There are IgE reactions. There are IgM reactions. There are genetic reactions.

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JJ (continuing): There are non-immune moderated, mediated reactions. There are so many different ways that your body can respond to food, but that's the issue, too. When I find someone that really is reactive, like they'll take this test and all these things show up, we call them pan allergic.

They're usually just toxic. Until you heal their gut and detoxify them, they're not going to stop reacting to all this stuff, and they still have to eat. That's the other side of it. Dr. Perrin would be a good place to start with all of that.

Jackie: Well, JJ, that was our last question. Natasha, do we have any other live callers?

Natasha: Not at this time.

Jackie: Great, OK. Well, JJ, thank you for taking time out of your day and answering all these questions. Obviously, I know everyone appreciates it. Everybody's been talking about how much they're thinking about you, so I just wanted to make sure you knew everybody here is sending all of their good thoughts as well.

JJ: Thank you, hugely appreciate it.

Jackie: I will talk to you...We're thankful again. I will talk to you very soon, and if we get any...

JJ: I will, you're on my call list.

Jackie: I know, I know.

JJ: I will call you.

Jackie: If we get any other...if we get any just elaborate...If people elaborate or whatever, we'll either forward it or just save it for the next Q and A.

JJ: Perfect. OK.

Jackie: OK.

JJ: Thank you.

Jackie: Love you. Talk to you soon.

JJ: Love you too. [cuts off]

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